Giuseppe Marotta (114 Viewers)

[Turk_Bianconero]

Its amazing that there are people in the world who dont know how a release clause works.

Then again, they vote erdogan, so its not a coincidence they are oblivious to facts

It's even more amazing that there are people in the world who don't know how to negotiations work and one of them is working for Juventus.

Then again, he has acolytes who would defend even his most pathetic decisions without shame, like they are getting paid for it.

 

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[zizinho]

Benzema was a better Ronaldo assist bot.
But if we talk real, lets see the first season ronaldo was there, and Higuain was actually used in a two striker system, instead of the 1 forward assist bot :

2009-2010

Ronaldo :
- La liga : 26 goals and 7 assists in 2490 minutes = 1.19 G+A
- CL : 7 goals 0 assists in 450 minutes : 1.4 G+A
--Season total : 1.22 G+A

Higuain :
- La Liga : 27 goals + 5 assists in 2401 minutes = 1.20 G+A
- CL : 2 goals + 1 assist in 473 minutes = 0.57 G+A
--Season total : 1.09 G+A


Aside from the CL, in which Ronaldo tended to score doubles , very similar stats. I recall very well (its where my initial Higuain liking originates from) that Real Fans liked Higuain more during ronaldo's first season.

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It was the last spot in the starting 11 that was not world class, and forwards are by far and away the most expensive to get.



Again, if you can improve several positions, you only look at the correct price. When prima punta is the only position to upgrade and you get "perhaps the best centreforward in the game, certainly top 3' -Rossi, then you take it. Overpaying by about 25 mil is nothing.

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Its amazing that there are people in the world who dont know how a release clause works.


Then again, they vote erdogan, so its not a coincidence they are oblivious to facts

Benzema was the better player so when Mourinho came he benched Higuain. simple


so you think we need Higuain? thats not what you were saying for months up until a week or 2 ago

 

[Zacheryah]

Benzema was the better player so when Mourinho came he benched Higuain. simple


so you think we need Higuain? thats not what you were saying for months up until a week or 2 ago

Benzema is not a better player then Higuain
Just like Busquets is not a better player then Mascherano.


However, both teams are set up in a specific way, that they need a specific characteristic.
Benzema was a better assist bot. Busquets is good at ball distribution.



I always liked Higuain. But i never tought the board would make such bold moves, so i focus on the other things. I know the talks were all about "we want to make a serious CL challenge". Never tought they'd actually make the call to fill up this season's mercato and the next by getting the only world class CF on the market.


I guess Marotta is right in the end. "we always look for the opportunity". And yeah, indeed the chance that arguably the best CF in the game(Rossi, i agree, 46% conversion ), is a possible signing for us is a rare occasion we apparently didnt want to pass on.


We should not sell Manbro tho. I hope that agent was genuine

 

[-=DJANGO=-]

What does voting for Erdogan has to do with Higuain transfer? Seems to me you know even less. Wasn't this the same Erdogan that unelected Brussels decided to keep happy and rich, while he was sending them the worst of refugees? Look who is clueless here? Out of 4 options, the supposed electorate of EU seems the best choice.

About the transfer: its as clear an overpay as there has ever been. Would it be worth it at the end? I hope so, but wouldn't bet MY money on it.

 

[Hængebøffer]

It's even more amazing that there are people in the world who don't know how to negotiations work and one of them is working for Juventus.

Then again, he has acolytes who would defend even his most pathetic decisions without shame, like they are getting paid for it.

This deal is non-negotiable, but I agree with you. We should step away from this deal.

 

[zizinho]

Benzema is not a better player then Higuain
Just like Busquets is not a better player then Mascherano.


However, both teams are set up in a specific way, that they need a specific characteristic.
Benzema was a better assist bot. Busquets is good at ball distribution.



I always liked Higuain. But i never tought the board would make such bold moves, so i focus on the other things. I know the talks were all about "we want to make a serious CL challenge". Never tought they'd actually make the call to fill up this season's mercato and the next by getting the only world class CF on the market.


I guess Marotta is right in the end. "we always look for the opportunity". And yeah, indeed the chance that arguably the best CF in the game(Rossi, i agree, 46% conversion ), is a possible signing for us is a rare occasion we apparently didnt want to pass on.


We should not sell Manbro tho. I hope that agent was genuine

lol at Higuain being better than Benzema. the french scored 56 goals in CL, something Higuain can only dream about, and they are about the same age
Benzema playing because hes an assist boy is not true, but even that shows that hes a more complete player than Higuain.

also lol at taking something Rossi said as a fact. we got countless former players saying stuff im sure you would disagree about. so dont give me Rossi wetting his pants over Higuain in every post


however way you put it, paying 94M for Higuain is too much and we shouldnt have done it. we would be CL contenders with Dybala-Mandzukic upfront and a bench of Gabigol-Icardi too, there were better ways to invest 94M in than Higuain

 

[v1rtu4l]

It's even more amazing that there are people in the world who don't know how to negotiations work and one of them is working for Juventus.

Then again, he has acolytes who would defend even his most pathetic decisions without shame, like they are getting paid for it.

Dude, you dare to speak about the great saviour Marotta ? Did you ever even negotiate for something worth more than a turkish montain goat ? the only thing we know is what the release clause is. now you come along with no frigging clue about if players are included or not and how high the actual fee is or how high his wages are and rant along having basically not more knowledge in the topic of football transfers than the average drunk hobo on the street that mumbles "if i was in charge i would make better politics".

No, you do not have any clue and you ramble along without any facts and even worse, you do not even have a track record of ever being even an ounce knowledgeable in the ways of the transfer market. Just because erdogan forbid football managers later than fm 2003 you do not need to come here with your deep knowledge of 10 yeahr old football managers. all information in the media about the deal is just speculation and the only fact we know is the height of the release clause, which is not to say that we even need to pay it.

you probably come here because if you open the mouth on the street the people around you already roll their eyes and think "oh no, not this mad man again". now honestly, what is your line of work, what are you employed as that you have such good knowledge of negotiations for football players ? perhaps i need to eat my words but usually intelligent folks dont ramble around without knowing the facts beforehand.

 

[Zacheryah]

What does voting for Erdogan has to do with Higuain transfer? Seems to me you know even less. Wasn't this the same Erdogan that unelected Brussels decided to keep happy and rich, while he was sending them the worst of refugees? Look who is clueless here? Out of 4 options, the supposed electorate of EU seems the best choice.

About the transfer: its as clear an overpay as there has ever been. Would it be worth it at the end? I hope so, but wouldn't bet MY money on it.

You seemb to imply i automatically agree with what Belgium or the Eu decides. Shocking.


This was the first time since Calciopoli we had the chance to sign the arguably best CF out there. And probably will take quite a while before such opportunity presents itself again with the inflated EPL tv cash.
We cannot negotiate whatsoever, its De lau. Its overpaying 20 mil for the release clause or no deal.


We took the opportunity.

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It's even more amazing that there are people in the world who don't know how to negotiations work and one of them is working for Juventus.

Then again, he has acolytes who would defend even his most pathetic decisions without shame, like they are getting paid for it.

No turky turky. You didnt get it and apparently still dont.


This is not negotiable. Its a buyout clause and the owner does not want to go into negotiations. Thanks to that clause we can force the decision, its the only possible chance.



This is NOT a negotiation. We simply bought a very expensive key to open an armored door.

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lol at Higuain being better than Benzema. the french scored 56 goals in CL, something Higuain can only dream about, and they are about the same age
Benzema playing because hes an assist boy is not true, but even that shows that hes a more complete player than Higuain.

also lol at taking something Rossi said as a fact. we got countless former players saying stuff im sure you would disagree about. so dont give me Rossi wetting his pants over Higuain in every post


however way you put it, paying 94M for Higuain is too much and we shouldnt have done it. we would be CL contenders with Dybala-Mandzukic upfront and a bench of Gabigol-Icardi too, there were better ways to invest 94M in than Higuain

Higuain is offcourse better then Benzema. Fat benz is a very good player, make no mistake. But Higuain is simply better.
Ronaldo, is several times better then both, and Real builds its team around making Ronaldo work. In that team, Benzema was a better option, and he could benefit more from real's playstyle.
Put Benzema at Napoli, and he wont get remotely the same goals like Higuain, because he's simply not as good.
After Mourinho molded a great selection at real madrid, and they got quite a great team, Benzema's numbers naturally went up, beeing a good working part of the team.

Since the start of that 09-10 season at Real, Higuain scored 16 more goals then Benzema despite beeing a sup for a season and playing at Napoli, compared to real madrid in the lol liga

90 mil (its not 94, its 90). Is overpaying by 20 mil. I agree there. Which you dont do normally. However its the first time in 10 years we are in a position to get arguably the worlds best CF, and its the last missing peace of the team.

...which means its still overpaying. But now you can motivate why you'd overpay.

 

[-=DJANGO=-]

You seemb to imply i automatically agree with what Belgium or the Eu decides. Shocking.


This was the first time since Calciopoli we had the chance to sign the arguably best CF out there. And probably will take quite a while before such opportunity presents itself again with the inflated EPL tv cash.
We cannot negotiate whatsoever, its De lau. Its overpaying 20 mil for the release clause or no deal.


We took the opportunity.

What is shocking is you putting words in my mouth, while using politics that you clearly misunderstand /putting it politely/ to make general conclusions about people. That was truly shocking.
Now I said EU voters got rekt, Turks got a better deal from their elected government. Yet somehow the message was that they should know better, like we do - when all the facts oppose it.


Regarding Higuain and his 'realistic' price tag of 70+M euros, why is there no competition then? We are barely overpaying, right? As I said before: it's not my money and I am happy, but 1st it will never be my money and 2nd if the price to be paid is Pogba... eF that!

 

[Zacheryah]

Dude, you dare to speak about the great saviour Marotta ? Did you ever even negotiate for something worth more than a turkish montain goat ? the only thing we know is what the release clause is. now you come along with no frigging clue about if players are included or not and how high the actual fee is or how high his wages are and rant along having basically not more knowledge in the topic of football transfers than the average drunk hobo on the street that mumbles "if i was in charge i would make better politics".

No, you do not have any clue and you ramble along without any facts and even worse, you do not even have a track record of ever being even an ounce knowledgeable in the ways of the transfer market. Just because erdogan forbid football managers later than fm 2003 you do not need to come here with your deep knowledge of 10 yeahr old football managers. all information in the media about the deal is just speculation and the only fact we know is the height of the release clause, which is not to say that we even need to pay it.

you probably come here because if you open the mouth on the street the people around you already roll their eyes and think "oh no, not this mad man again". now honestly, what is your line of work, what are you employed as that you have such good knowledge of negotiations for football players ? perhaps i need to eat my words but usually intelligent folks dont ramble around without knowing the facts beforehand.

That is the worst attempt at handing out a dig i've seen in years, and i've seen alot.

Allow me to educate what you are missing peasant.

Napoli refuses to negotiate point blank about Higuain. The only option is triggering his release clause.

Turky turky here, took 4 days to understand that we trigger a release clause and we didnt negotiate the payment.



After we communicated that, there are some reports De Lau got scared and would actually consider negotiating, but thats just reports

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

No turky turky. You didnt get it and apparently still dont.

This is not negotiable. Its a buyout clause and the owner does not want to go into negotiations. Thanks to that clause we can force the decision, its the only possible chance.

This is NOT a negotiation. We simply bought a very expensive key to open an armored door.

it is you who doesn't get or something else is going on, like you have an obligation to defend this clownery.

If it is not negotiable, leave it. 94 million for a player is clusterfuck. This is not how this club operates. This wasn't the way while we were third richest club in the world, and this is not the way while we barely find a place for ourselves in top 10. This is what you pay when you build yourself a new stadium. Higuain is not last member of a dying breed called strikers. You can always find someone else, unless you have something else going on your mind.

the part about very expensive key to open an armored door

Spoiler

 

[Jem83]

however way you put it, paying 94M for Higuain is too much and we shouldnt have done it. we would be CL contenders with Dybala-Mandzukic upfront and a bench of Gabigol-Icardi too, there were better ways to invest 94M in than Higuain

Icardi would cost 50-60m, right? Let's say 55, for argument's sake. And Gabigol...20?

So you would spend 75 on Icardi + Gabigol?

I'm glad we're spending 90 on Higuain rather than 75 on those two.

 

[Zacheryah]

What is shocking is you putting words in my mouth, while using politics that you clearly misunderstand /putting it politely/ to make general conclusions about people. That was truly shocking.
Now I said EU voters got rekt, Turks got a better deal from their elected government. Yet somehow the message was that they should know better, like we do - when all the facts oppose it.


Regarding Higuain and his 'realistic' price tag of 70+M euros, why is there no competition then? We are barely overpaying, right? As I said before: it's not my money and I am happy, but 1st it will never be my money and 2nd if the price to be paid is Pogba... eF that!

Dude, i've been absolutely trashing how the EU handles Turkey for over a year now, its pathetic. Thanks to Erdogan staging this coup, and the resulting actions, the EU is now doing slowly what it should have.
Fucks sake, that melagomanic dictator was not far away from joining the EU and getting insane funds to harbor refugees, whilst actively involved with oiltrade that supported IS the most.

Fucking EU. We need the EU, but they need to get their shit togheter in foreign politucs.



You look at it the wrong way. You imply we are selling pogba to fund higuain. Thats absolutely not the case. We stated many times we dont want to sell. If Pogba goes its his agent forcing the move. And us going on the market as a result.

 

[zizinho]

You seemb to imply i automatically agree with what Belgium or the Eu decides. Shocking.


This was the first time since Calciopoli we had the chance to sign the arguably best CF out there. And probably will take quite a while before such opportunity presents itself again with the inflated EPL tv cash.
We cannot negotiate whatsoever, its De lau. Its overpaying 20 mil for the release clause or no deal.


We took the opportunity.

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No turky turky. You didnt get it and apparently still dont.


This is not negotiable. Its a buyout clause and the owner does not want to go into negotiations. Thanks to that clause we can force the decision, its the only possible chance.



This is NOT a negotiation. We simply bought a very expensive key to open an armored door.

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Higuain is offcourse better then Benzema. Fat benz is a very good player, make no mistake. But Higuain is simply better.
Ronaldo, is several times better then both, and Real builds its team around making Ronaldo work. In that team, Benzema was a better option, and he could benefit more from real's playstyle.
Put Benzema at Napoli, and he wont get remotely the same goals like Higuain, because he's simply not as good.
After Mourinho molded a great selection at real madrid, and they got quite a great team, Benzema's numbers naturally went up, beeing a good working part of the team.

Since the start of that 09-10 season at Real, Higuain scored 16 more goals then Benzema despite beeing a sup for a season and playing at Napoli, compared to real madrid in the lol liga

90 mil (its not 94, its 90). Is overpaying by 20 mil. I agree there. Which you dont do normally. However its the first time in 10 years we are in a position to get arguably the worlds best CF, and its the last missing peace of the team.

...which means its still overpaying. But now you can motivate why you'd overpay.

Benzema is better than Higuain, lay off whatever youre smoking bro

good to see you acknowledge its overpaying (by atleast 30M though, not 20M). Higuain is one of the best CFs, not "arguably the best" lol. borderline top 5 yes. and i already said we dont need a WC CF to compete for the CL. an attack of Dybala, Mandzukic, Gabigol, Icardi would be enough, which is why hugely overpaying for Higuain makes even less sense

 

[-=DJANGO=-]

Icardi would cost 50-60m, right? Let's say 55, for argument's sake. And Gabigol...20?

So you would spend 75 on Icardi + Gabigol?

I'm glad we're spending 90 on Higuain rather than 75 on those two.

Let's not take any chances here and splash the cash on Ronaldo and Messi. Those blokes would surely give us a hand and they'd be an even better guarantee. Besides its not our money and Exor could afford to buy them along with their Presidents just for the kicks out of it.

 

[Zacheryah]

it is you who doesn't get or something else is going on, like you have an obligation to defend this clownery.

If it is not negotiable, leave it. 94 million for a player is clusterfuck. This is not how this club operates. This wasn't the way while we were third richest club in the world, and this is not the way while we barely find a place for ourselves in top 10. This is what you pay when you build yourself a new stadium. Higuain is not last member of a dying breed called strikers. You can always find someone else, unless you have something else going on your mind.

the part about very expensive key to open an armored door

Spoiler

This is the first time in 10 years juventus actually has the opportunity to sign arguably the worlds best CF. Its not "finding someone else".


We can always find talent and we will. But getting a chance to sign such a player considering our finances is very rare.

 

[Vlad]

That is the worst attempt at handing out a dig i've seen in years, and i've seen alot.

Allow me to educate what you are missing peasant.

Napoli refuses to negotiate point blank about Higuain. The only option is triggering his release clause.

Turky turky here, took 4 days to understand that we trigger a release clause and we didnt negotiate the payment.



After we communicated that, there are some reports De Lau got scared and would actually consider negotiating, but thats just reports

I dont think he was taking a dig at you.

 

[Jem83]

Let's not take any chances here and splash the cash on Ronaldo and Messi. Those blokes would surely give us a hand and they'd be an even better guarantee. Besides its not our money and Exor could afford to buy them along with their Presidents just for the kicks out of it.

Why bring those two up? They bear no relevance to this whatsoever.

Higuain was someone we targeted and who we could actually attain.

 

[zizinho]

Icardi would cost 50-60m, right? Let's say 55, for argument's sake. And Gabigol...20?

So you would spend 75 on Icardi + Gabigol?

I'm glad we're spending 90 on Higuain rather than 75 on those two.

those two are 23 and 19, we would either have 10-12 years out of them or sell after some time for pure profit. they would also cost less than Higuain combined and would be on acceptable wages. much smarter and much more Juve-esque type of business

 

[Zacheryah]

Let's not take any chances here and splash the cash on Ronaldo and Messi. Those blokes would surely give us a hand and they'd be an even better guarantee. Besides its not our money and Exor could afford to buy them along with their Presidents just for the kicks out of it.

See, this shit is retarded


Do Messi and Ronaldo got a buyout clause we can pay, with the player willing to sign a contract here ?


No. They got a clause for 248 million or something. And they would absolutely laugh at us asking to sign