Giuseppe Marotta (90 Viewers)

[KB824]

Thats not what I'm saying. If a player is not worth a sum, you should not pay it regardless of if you may or may not have a chance at some other player. So what I'm saying is, dont spend 94M on a player. Try to find a player for less, and if you can't Stick to what you have. And don't give me we need to improve the attack because you've been saying for months that we are a top team as we are

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How much is it then?

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Do you think he will break the Serie A record again? Do you think he will score in CL knock out games regularly?

With the team around him, why not? He did it with a vastly inferior Napoli squad.



And if you want to do that, do we just dismiss what Higuain won in Real Madrid? Or reaching WC and Copa America finals?

 

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[Jem83]

Let me take you all back to 2010, when we were a club of lesser stature, with lesser revenues.

For the 2010/11 season, we spent as follows:

Storari 4.5m
Bonucci 15.5m
Motta 1.25m (for the loan)
Rinaudo 0.6m (for the loan)
Traoré 0.5m (for the loan)
Krasic 15m
El Malaka 12m
Pepe 7.5m
Quagliarella 14.5m
Matri 18m (winter mercato)
= 89,35 million

This mercato so far:
Dani Alves: free
Pjaca: 23m
Pjanic: 32m
Benatia: 3m (for the loan)
Higuain: 45m (1st installment)
= 103 million


Now, considering how far we've come since 2010. Are these numbers really that shocking?

Also keep in mind that Morata has been sold for 30 million, bringing our total net spend this mercato down to 73...

 

[JuveJay]

We shouldn't keep listing the Higuain deal as installments, when pretty much all our deals are done in 3 installments, with others being 2 (I think Pjanic and Pjaca are).

 

[Jem83]

We shouldn't keep listing the Higuain deal as installments, when pretty much all our deals are done in 3 installments, with others being 2 (I think Pjanic and Pjaca are).

Fair enough, but if all other deals are also paid in installments then I'm even more certain about my case than I was a moment ago; We can afford this shid.

 

[JCK]

About instalments, who remembers that jewel we got to read on the forum once that if we buy with instalments and sell the player before we are done paying then we don't have to pay the remaining fees?

And for those who remember it, do you remember who said it?

 

[icemaη]

Let me take you all back to 2010, when we were a club of lesser stature, with lesser revenues.

For the 2010/11 season, we spent as follows:

Storari 4.5m
Bonucci 15.5m
Motta 1.25m (for the loan)
Rinaudo 0.6m (for the loan)
Traoré 0.5m (for the loan)
Krasic 15m
El Malaka 12m
Pepe 7.5m
Quagliarella 14.5m
Matri 18m (winter mercato)
= 89,35 million

This mercato so far:
Dani Alves: free
Pjaca: 23m
Pjanic: 32m
Benatia: 3m (for the loan)
Higuain: 45m (1st installment)
= 103 million


Now, considering how far we've come since 2010. Are these numbers really that shocking?

Also keep in mind that Morata has been sold for 30 million, bringing our total net spend this mercato down to 73...

Most, if not all, of those buys were in installments. So you'll have to put all of Higuains fees into the equation. Even with that, if we sell a bit of dead weight the managements decision to splash the big bucks is far from alarming. Are we taking a gamble? Sure. But I trust the Beppe enough to know that he won't ruin years of financial success by doing something reckless. If we are spending that fee, it's because we can afford it.

 

[zizinho]

With the team around him, why not? He did it with a vastly inferior Napoli squad.



And if you want to do that, do we just dismiss what Higuain won in Real Madrid? Or reaching WC and Copa America finals?

He was benched by Benzema in all important games at Real. He also has an abysmal scoring record in CL knock out stages, so i wouldn't really use his time at Real as an argument. Reaching Copa final with that Argentina is nothing special, they could have done it without him easily. I hope he does but I won't take is for granted. I doubt he will ever score more than 40M in a single season again

 

[Hængebøffer]

Sorry, but it is absolutely retarded paying this price. The price would be justified if he was a one of the top world class players, or a huge talent like Pogba or (maybe Griezmann). If this is true, the only way it won't be a massive fail from Marotta, is if Higuain scores a shitload of goals and we win the Champions League.

 

[zizinho]

After 4 years his value will be 0, he could go for free and it won't be recorded as a loss in the books.

How is that? We even got a loss on Melo and we didn't lose him for free

 

[donpiero]

We shouldn't keep listing the Higuain deal as installments, when pretty much all our deals are done in 3 installments, with others being 2 (I think Pjanic and Pjaca are).

Even though, it still brings it to 110m, which is well within our operating range, considering our growth. For me, this mercato has similarities to that 2010-11 season. Back then our board set the goal of winning the scudetto and invested accordingly, this year seems they have their eye on the CL for the main objective and our investments is in agreement with that goal.
So this is not some erratic move from our management, contrasting our previous transfer market policies.

 

[Jem83]

Sorry, but it is absolutely retarded paying this price. The price would be justified if he was a one of the top world class players

He is.

the only way it won't be a massive fail from Marotta, is if Higuain scores a shitload of goals

He will.

and we win the Champions League.

We might. Never a guarantee, no matter what squad you put together. But this is a signing that increases our chances substantially, and at the very least I believe we will have a team now that will always be found in the quarters, and sometimes the semis. Hopefully we can get a final out of it all, and then anything could happen.

 

[KB824]

He was benched by Benzema in all important games at Real. He also has an abysmal scoring record in CL knock out stages, so i wouldn't really use his time at Real as an argument. Reaching Copa final with that Argentina is nothing special, they could have done it without him easily. I hope he does but I won't take is for granted. I doubt he will ever score more than 40M in a single season again

Bah, we're going to go back and forth until the cows come home. We agree to disagree. I have a little boy that wants to play with his daddy

Forza Lakers

 

[Hængebøffer]

He is.



He will.



We might. Never a guarantee, no matter what squad you put together. But this is a signing that increases our chances substantially, and at the very least I believe we will have a team now that will always be found in the quarters, and sometimes the semis. Hopefully we can get a final out of it all, and then anything could happen.

He is not. He's a 60 mill. player at most. He haven't showed anything consistant at high level. Mainly because of the club he plays in.

 

[zizinho]

Bah, we're going to go back and forth until the cows come home. We agree to disagree. I have a little boy that wants to play with his daddy

Forza Lakers

Nah the correct saying would be

Forza Higuain, hopefully you pay yourself off on the pitch (in CL especially) and we are still able to sell you for a high amount to China when/if you decline in 4-5 years


We can argue all day but we will truly be able to say if it paid of or not when Higuain leaves Juventus


And yes Forza Lakers and forza your little boy

 

[Hængebøffer]

And I'm well-aware that the mgmt tried other options and they won't go to Italy. But we should wait a bit, then and think it through. I just don't see Higuain as the striker to take this team to the very top.

 

[Zacheryah]

Thats not what I'm saying. If a player is not worth a sum, you should not pay it regardless of if you may or may not have a chance at some other player. So what I'm saying is, dont spend 94M on a player. Try to find a player for less, and if you can't Stick to what you have. And don't give me we need to improve the attack because you've been saying for months that we are a top team as we are

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How much is it then?

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Do you think he will break the Serie A record again? Do you think he will score in CL knock out games regularly?

Higuain was excellent in the CL with Napoli. Its not his fault they give little shits about the euroleague, and he even had a positive or better g+a there.


Juve has been creating a ton of chances since conte arrived here, and is excellent at converting bitter few. Higuain will have good chances in any game, but he doesnt need many to score. And Juve is the best team in the world at keeping the pressure off the players

 

[zizinho]

Higuain was excellent in the CL with Napoli. Its not his fault they give little shits about the euroleague, and he even had a positive or better g+a there.


Juve has been creating a ton of chances since conte arrived here, and is excellent at converting bitter few. Higuain will have good chances in any game, but he doesnt need many to score. And Juve is the best team in the world at keeping the pressure off the players

Thats all nice

We still paid 94M for a player

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

Not even English clubs with at least 3 times more spending power than us wouldn't dare to pay this fee. Higuain scoring shitload of goals is not something new, he was scoring them in Madrid as well but that did not stop them selling him and buyer was garbage town. He isn't better than he was in 2013, only 3 years older but there is a big difference between 38 million and 94 million. Don't mention inflation, gap is so big it can't be explained with ''inflation''. Then there is player's wages. He is getting 5,5 per year from Napoli. Normally he should have sacrifice wages to get a chance to play in a much better environment with much stronger squadmates. Not only he doesn't make any sacrifice but he is also getting a 2 million payrise. Obviously club didn't try hard to negotiate like they didn't bother negotiating with Napoli, just gave them what they want.

Sorry to inform some of the people who still didn't realize it or simply don't care that our club got raped by third parties. It's not happening first time, but this time magnitude is incomparably bigger.

 

[Vlad]

Not even English clubs with at least 3 times more spending power than us wouldn't dare to pay this fee. Higuain scoring shitload of goals is not something new, he was scoring them in Madrid as well but that did not stop them selling him and buyer was garbage town. He isn't better than he was in 2013, only 3 years older but there is a big difference between 38 million and 94 million. Don't mention inflation, gap is so big it can't be explained with ''inflation''. Then there is player's wages. He is getting 5,5 per year from Napoli. Normally he should have sacrifice wages to get a chance to play in a much better environment with much stronger squadmates. Not only he doesn't make any sacrifice but he is also getting a 2 million payrise. Obviously club didn't try hard to negotiate like they didn't bother negotiating with Napoli, just gave them what they want.

Sorry to inform some of the people who still didn't realize it or simply don't care that our club got raped by third parties. It's not happening first time but magnitude is incomparably bigger.

That's his relause clause. Napoli didn't want to sell. And naturaly when you move to a bigger and wealthier club you'd expect pay raise, not that you'd earn less.

 

[Zacheryah]

He was benched by Benzema in all important games at Real. He also has an abysmal scoring record in CL knock out stages, so i wouldn't really use his time at Real as an argument. Reaching Copa final with that Argentina is nothing special, they could have done it without him easily. I hope he does but I won't take is for granted. I doubt he will ever score more than 40M in a single season again

Benzema was a better Ronaldo assist bot.
But if we talk real, lets see the first season ronaldo was there, and Higuain was actually used in a two striker system, instead of the 1 forward assist bot :

2009-2010

Ronaldo :
- La liga : 26 goals and 7 assists in 2490 minutes = 1.19 G+A
- CL : 7 goals 0 assists in 450 minutes : 1.4 G+A
--Season total : 1.22 G+A

Higuain :
- La Liga : 27 goals + 5 assists in 2401 minutes = 1.20 G+A
- CL : 2 goals + 1 assist in 473 minutes = 0.57 G+A
--Season total : 1.09 G+A


Aside from the CL, in which Ronaldo tended to score doubles , very similar stats. I recall very well (its where my initial Higuain liking originates from) that Real Fans liked Higuain more during ronaldo's first season.

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Thats all nice

We still paid 94M for a player

It was the last spot in the starting 11 that was not world class, and forwards are by far and away the most expensive to get.



Again, if you can improve several positions, you only look at the correct price. When prima punta is the only position to upgrade and you get "perhaps the best centreforward in the game, certainly top 3' -Rossi, then you take it. Overpaying by about 25 mil is nothing.

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Its amazing that there are people in the world who dont know how a release clause works.


Then again, they vote erdogan, so its not a coincidence they are oblivious to facts