Giuseppe Marotta (88 Viewers)

[Zacheryah]

Hmm, buying zaza and mandzukic wasent a mistake.

Altho, Zaza wasent that urgent. We could have waited with that untill we sold Llorente.
Thing is, i'll keep reminding you all to 10-11 season. All those injuries. Forced to get Toni and Matri at stupid prices and wages cause we were desperate for forwards.
We really need 3 central forwards and a couple of wingers/ss.


If zaza is a bit like Pepe and Llorente, and doesnt complain when barely playing, but giving 100% when he does, he can be our third choise ST (considering we only use 1 ST), for the next decade for all i case.

Beats having to loan a fucking bendtner, anelka, borrielo, matri each year

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[Boksic]

I'm worried, I'm not seeing the red line this summer by Beppe. He's all over the place. Not only with the signings but also with the departures. He has sold some very important players on the pitch and some good chemistry guys off it as well (Pepe, Llorente, Storari).

Alex Sandro is the only improvement, the rest are are downgrades.

I'm worried, expecting a transitional year.

I think we have made the mistake a lot of "surprise" Champions League finalists make e.g. Porto, Monaco, Dortmund, Atletico. Selling big players, making too many changes too quickly and taking big steps backwards.

 

[Zacheryah]

Wouldn't it have been better to sign more of a versatile SS-type as our 4th striker? I don't see Zaza deserving any playing time ahead of Morata or Mandzukic, and DYbala can also play as a CF if needed...

What if Mandzukic is injured for 2 months ? Play Morata each game ? What if he is suspended ?


You need a third striker. Marotta learned his lesson in 10/11. Thats why he makes those last minute striker loans to fill the shit spot. Now we got zaza for the shitspot. At 10mil net spend.

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I think we have made the mistake a lot of "surprise" Champions League finalists make e.g. Porto, Monaco, Dortmund, Atletico. Selling big players, making too many changes too quickly and taking big steps backwards.

We didnt sold any big player because it was our choise.

Pirlo retired
Tevez forced his departure to Boca
Vidal wanted to go

You can argue that we should have kept an unhappy Vidal, and that heart and determination isnt vidals game (wich is largely influenced by happyness), etc

But thats about it.

 

[Post Ironic]

I cannot believe anyone is arguing that Zaza for 18 mil is a good deal... It's not a disaster but it's certainly a crap deal for a mediocre player.

 

[Zacheryah]

I cannot believe anyone is arguing that Zaza for 18 mil is a good deal... It's not a disaster but it's certainly a crap deal for a mediocre player.

Zaza costed 10mil.


We need a third striker. You can have 4.5 mil wages llorente (i'd be fine with that), or Zaza. What if we keep him as the third striker for like 10 years ? One that never complains about the bench, but gives 100% when he's playing ?

 

[PhRoZeN]

I'm heavily relying on allegri to make amends out of marottas messups.

 

[Zacheryah]

Mandzukic, Cuadrado, Alex Sandro, Khedira, Dybala, Rugani, Neto


"mess up's"


Nah


Allegri needs to make due, with whats left cause two keyplayers wanted to fuck off elsewere and a third got too old

 

[Post Ironic]

Zaza costed 10mil.


We need a third striker. You can have 4.5 mil wages llorente (i'd be fine with that), or Zaza. What if we keep him as the third striker for like 10 years ? One that never complains about the bench, but gives 100% when he's playing ?

Yes, because Zaza has really shown that he has no ambition and wants to sit on the bench all year for the next 10 years. Is this Seriously the line you are going with? That Zaza will be happy to rarely play. How the heck do you know this? Can you read his mind?

We paid 18 mil this year. Not 10.5, 18. It's a poor deal any way it is looked at. I'd much rather have brought someone like Matri back on loan again.

 

[baggio]

The way this mercato has moved has quite frankly been pretty confusing. I think the club had too much on their plate with three massive departures, and that made them look for opportunities to 'compensate' or 'overcompensate' for those departures, without really having a plan in place.

Like for eg. I think Cuadrado is a good signing, and he came on a loan, but exactly a week before the signing happened, Beppe spoke about how we were looking for players with other characteristics. I think this is further supplemented by the fact, that two from our roster are not even going to be on the CL squad if I'm not mistaken. Once again, that too points to the fact that we've gone into deals perhaps in the fear that we may not get our intended targets.

No matter what anyone says, but even the u-turn on the Siquiera/Sandro situation and Zaza/Llorente situation, is pointing to one of these two situations, a) Lack of clear communication between management and coach, and b) Lack of agreement between management and coach as far as certain signings go.

As far as the AM situation goes, I've said before and will say again, no matter who else we bought this summer, and who else left this summer, one thing was absolutely evident from the get go, that we needed to prioritise an AM. We did not do that and spent too much time on some deals that should've happened in these last few days, but did not. I don't even want to get into the sales because it's a never ending debate on this forum, but as far as I'm concerned, Beppe has had a shocker even by his standards. We undersold Vidal by about 7-10m, and probably should have gotten something more out of Llorente's sale as negotiators, even though that deal perhaps went down the middle rather than us making a loss.

On the whole, this mercato hinges on what happens the next two days pretty much. If we get our AM, every other forward signing will be that much better, but if we don't, I'd have to say the mercato, no matter how 'good' it looks on paper to some with all those names, is a weaker starting XI than last year, and will perhaps require a formation that is something we were trying to evolve from if last year was any indication. And people can spin it how they want, but the mercato would not have been an effective one. Nor would it have been well planned, or a success. After spending 120m plus, and you haven't covered the position that was at the top of your list to begin with, then there is a problem. And there are no excuses to justify that problem.

 

[CrimsonianKing]

The way this mercato has moved has quite frankly been pretty confusing. I think the club had too much on their plate with three massive departures, and that made them look for opportunities to 'compensate' or 'overcompensate' for those departures, without really having a plan in place.

Like for eg. I think Cuadrado is a good signing, and he came on a loan, but exactly a week before the signing happened, Beppe spoke about how we were looking for players with other characteristics. I think this is further supplemented by the fact, that two from our roster are not even going to be on the CL squad if I'm not mistaken. Once again, that too points to the fact that we've gone into deals perhaps in the fear that we may not get our intended targets.

No matter what anyone says, but even the u-turn on the Siquiera/Sandro situation and Zaza/Llorente situation, is pointing to one of these two situations, a) Lack of clear communication between management and coach, and b) Lack of agreement between management and coach as far as certain signings go.

As far as the AM situation goes, I've said before and will say again, no matter who else we bought this summer, and who else left this summer, one thing was absolutely evident from the get go, that we needed to prioritise an AM. We did not do that and spent too much time on some deals that should've happened in these last few days, but did not. I don't even want to get into the sales because it's a never ending debate on this forum, but as far as I'm concerned, Beppe has had a shocker even by his standards. We undersold Vidal by about 7-10m, and probably should have gotten something more out of Llorente's sale as negotiators, even though that deal perhaps went down the middle rather than us making a loss.

On the whole, this mercato hinges on what happens the next two days pretty much. If we get our AM, every other forward signing will be that much better, but if we don't, I'd have to say the mercato, no matter how 'good' it looks on paper to some with all those names, is a weaker starting XI than last year, and will perhaps require a formation that is something we were trying to evolve from if last year was any indication. And people can spin it how they want, but the mercato would not have been an effective one. Nor would it have been well planned, or a success. After spending 120m plus, and you haven't covered the position that was at the top of your list to begin with, then there is a problem. And there are no excuses to justify that problem.

Sums up what i think too. But I'm still hopeful we'll land that player we so need. The last thing i want to see is us forced to play 3-5-2 for a whole season, especially in Europe, again.

 

[Hydde]

Zaza costed 10mil.


We need a third striker. You can have 4.5 mil wages llorente (i'd be fine with that), or Zaza. What if we keep him as the third striker for like 10 years ? One that never complains about the bench, but gives 100% when he's playing ?

I think Zaza is motivated to be an italy international and a champ. I doubt he will be happy after 2 years warming benches left and right.

He will not go the zalayeta path

 

[Post Ironic]

I think Zaza is motivated to be an italy international and a champ. I doubt he will be happy after 2 years warming benches left and right.

He will not go the zalayeta path

We are also not the best team in the world like we arguably were when Zayaleta played for us. He also got quite a bit of playing time and was vastly superior to Zaza.

 

[Hydde]

The way this mercato has moved has quite frankly been pretty confusing. I think the club had too much on their plate with three massive departures, and that made them look for opportunities to 'compensate' or 'overcompensate' for those departures, without really having a plan in place.

Like for eg. I think Cuadrado is a good signing, and he came on a loan, but exactly a week before the signing happened, Beppe spoke about how we were looking for players with other characteristics. I think this is further supplemented by the fact, that two from our roster are not even going to be on the CL squad if I'm not mistaken. Once again, that too points to the fact that we've gone into deals perhaps in the fear that we may not get our intended targets.

No matter what anyone says, but even the u-turn on the Siquiera/Sandro situation and Zaza/Llorente situation, is pointing to one of these two situations, a) Lack of clear communication between management and coach, and b) Lack of agreement between management and coach as far as certain signings go.

As far as the AM situation goes, I've said before and will say again, no matter who else we bought this summer, and who else left this summer, one thing was absolutely evident from the get go, that we needed to prioritise an AM. We did not do that and spent too much time on some deals that should've happened in these last few days, but did not. I don't even want to get into the sales because it's a never ending debate on this forum, but as far as I'm concerned, Beppe has had a shocker even by his standards. We undersold Vidal by about 7-10m, and probably should have gotten something more out of Llorente's sale as negotiators, even though that deal perhaps went down the middle rather than us making a loss.

On the whole, this mercato hinges on what happens the next two days pretty much. If we get our AM, every other forward signing will be that much better, but if we don't, I'd have to say the mercato, no matter how 'good' it looks on paper to some with all those names, is a weaker starting XI than last year, and will perhaps require a formation that is something we were trying to evolve from if last year was any indication. And people can spin it how they want, but the mercato would not have been an effective one. Nor would it have been well planned, or a success. After spending 120m plus, and you haven't covered the position that was at the top of your list to begin with, then there is a problem. And there are no excuses to justify that problem.

No matter how you twist this....its pretty clear whats going on.

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We are also not the best team in the world like we arguably were when Zayaleta played for us. He also got quite a bit of playing time and was vastly superior to Zaza.

I dont think he was a lot better than zaza...as both were pretty average...but zala has ont think on his favor.... he knew he was average and behind trez dp and whoever else....so this gave him peace of mind to perform. Pretty much like Padoin.

Zaza on the other hand...doesnt look like the kind of guy who will accept the bench just because he is on juventus.

He cando whatever he wants for all i care

 

[Post Ironic]

The way this mercato has moved has quite frankly been pretty confusing. I think the club had too much on their plate with three massive departures, and that made them look for opportunities to 'compensate' or 'overcompensate' for those departures, without really having a plan in place.

Like for eg. I think Cuadrado is a good signing, and he came on a loan, but exactly a week before the signing happened, Beppe spoke about how we were looking for players with other characteristics. I think this is further supplemented by the fact, that two from our roster are not even going to be on the CL squad if I'm not mistaken. Once again, that too points to the fact that we've gone into deals perhaps in the fear that we may not get our intended targets.

No matter what anyone says, but even the u-turn on the Siquiera/Sandro situation and Zaza/Llorente situation, is pointing to one of these two situations, a) Lack of clear communication between management and coach, and b) Lack of agreement between management and coach as far as certain signings go.

As far as the AM situation goes, I've said before and will say again, no matter who else we bought this summer, and who else left this summer, one thing was absolutely evident from the get go, that we needed to prioritise an AM. We did not do that and spent too much time on some deals that should've happened in these last few days, but did not. I don't even want to get into the sales because it's a never ending debate on this forum, but as far as I'm concerned, Beppe has had a shocker even by his standards. We undersold Vidal by about 7-10m, and probably should have gotten something more out of Llorente's sale as negotiators, even though that deal perhaps went down the middle rather than us making a loss.

On the whole, this mercato hinges on what happens the next two days pretty much. If we get our AM, every other forward signing will be that much better, but if we don't, I'd have to say the mercato, no matter how 'good' it looks on paper to some with all those names, is a weaker starting XI than last year, and will perhaps require a formation that is something we were trying to evolve from if last year was any indication. And people can spin it how they want, but the mercato would not have been an effective one. Nor would it have been well planned, or a success. After spending 120m plus, and you haven't covered the position that was at the top of your list to begin with, then there is a problem. And there are no excuses to justify that problem.

I can't agree enough. I defended the management with "wait to see how the mercato finishes" but the closer we get to the end, the more of a failure on the part of the management this looks like. How they could target an AM from the very beginning and then state money is not the issue after failing to land any of their targets comes across as sheer incompetence.

 

[Hist]

On a deal by deal basis it does seem we over paid for zaza and dybala, still need an AM, and under-sold on vidal, tevez and llorente. But whether that Mercato is a success or not will be determined by our results. As long as we go past the group stage and win Serie A, I'll call it a successful window and the few extra mills we could have made would be irrelevant to me.


Barca built the best club in the world while making some huge very expensive mistakes on the market. Recall Ibra, Eto, and Chygyrynsky for instance and them not buying defenders for the longest time even though they seemed like they needed many. With the results that Barca got, I doubt any barca fan is too upset over eto or Ibra's deals. These mistakes become irrelevant in the big picture.

Similarly, If we achieve great results I dont care about the few ten mills that could have been saved by better selling or more efficient buying.

 

[Post Ironic]

On a deal by deal basis it does seem we over paid for zaza and dybala, still need an AM, and under-sold on vidal, tevez and llorente. But whether that Mercato is a success or not will be determined by our results. As long as we go past the group stage and win Serie A, I'll call it a successful window and the few extra mills we could have made would be irrelevant to me.


Barca built the best club in the world while making some huge very expensive mistakes on the market. Recall Ibra, Eto, and Chygyrynsky for instance and them not buying defenders for the longest time even though they seemed like they needed many. With the results that Barca got, I doubt any barca fan is too upset over eto or Ibra's deals. These mistakes become irrelevant in the big picture.

Similarly, If we achieve great results I dont care about the few ten mills that could have been saved by better selling or more efficient buying.

 

[j0ker]

What a great timing to criticize the great man.

 

[Zacheryah]

Yes, because Zaza has really shown that he has no ambition and wants to sit on the bench all year for the next 10 years. Is this Seriously the line you are going with? That Zaza will be happy to rarely play. How the heck do you know this? Can you read his mind?

We paid 18 mil this year. Not 10.5, 18. It's a poor deal any way it is looked at. I'd much rather have brought someone like Matri back on loan again.

See, it doesnt work like that, and you know it.


Sassuolo paid us 8 mil last year. They didnt pay that at once, but in several installments.
We pay them this year 18 mil. Wich basically means that the remaining installments cease and we now make some to them.

So it indeed is about the 10mil net spend.


Now if zaza thinks he'll play, in a team with 40mil dybala, Coman, llorente, Morata, Mandzukic, he's an idiot. He doesnt get the concept like Lucio who was 5th defender and then complained about not playing.

He is average. Several italians have been like this, but accept a role as a backup. We got several of those. Zaza at first sight fits that same profile.


i'm not certain. "if". i'd like him if he's a guy like Pepe. I dont know if he is, we'll need to see.


BUT, we paid 10mil net. And if we sell him before he's 30, i seriously doubt we wont recover most of it.

 

[Hust]

On a deal by deal basis it does seem we over paid for zaza and dybala, still need an AM, and under-sold on vidal, tevez and llorente. But whether that Mercato is a success or not will be determined by our results. As long as we go past the group stage and win Serie A, I'll call it a successful window and the few extra mills we could have made would be irrelevant to me.


Barca built the best club in the world while making some huge very expensive mistakes on the market. Recall Ibra, Eto, and Chygyrynsky for instance and them not buying defenders for the longest time even though they seemed like they needed many. With the results that Barca got, I doubt any barca fan is too upset over eto or Ibra's deals. These mistakes become irrelevant in the big picture.

Similarly, If we achieve great results I dont care about the few ten mills that could have been saved by better selling or more efficient buying.

 

[Zacheryah]

On a deal by deal basis it does seem we over paid for zaza and dybala, still need an AM, and under-sold on vidal, tevez and llorente. But whether that Mercato is a success or not will be determined by our results. As long as we go past the group stage and win Serie A, I'll call it a successful window and the few extra mills we could have made would be irrelevant to me.


Barca built the best club in the world while making some huge very expensive mistakes on the market. Recall Ibra, Eto, and Chygyrynsky for instance and them not buying defenders for the longest time even though they seemed like they needed many. With the results that Barca got, I doubt any barca fan is too upset over eto or Ibra's deals. These mistakes become irrelevant in the big picture.

Similarly, If we achieve great results I dont care about the few ten mills that could have been saved by better selling or more efficient buying.

10 mil net spend is not overpaying for Zaza.

Tevez forced us into a deal, Boca was shitting it up. We could have said "fuck off" and Tevez would have just refused to return.
We let go of Llorente to get rid of his wages. We bought for free, we let go for free


Dybala was not "overpaid". We would have never ever been able to get him for a good deal. We would have been outbid if we didnt went immediatly for him. This was the only way to get him, simple as that.