Juliano13

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There was good and bad. I loved the Pogba and Morata signings from day one. But I think the success of the team overall was the belief instilled by Conte these past years. Sure, he got the tactics wrong, but Allegri couldn't have built us from the ground up like Antonio. People here will hate Conte but they have no idea how football works, probably because they are new fans. Ask Sergio about this, he has been a fan for like 30 years and I love his perspective.
Maybe we don't hate him, but we're all entitled to make fun of his constant bitching and retarded comments.

And btw, I actually think that even if Allegri wins the treble, what Conte did was a bigger achievement.

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A mistake that shouldn't have been forgiven, any other club would have sacked the coach for it, thankfully Conte hanged from the rope himself.
The most ridculous comment I've read in a good 2 weeks.
 

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KB824

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Maybe we don't hate him, but we're all entitled to make fun of his constant bitching and retarded comments.

And btw, I actually think that even if Allegri wins the treble, what Conte did was a bigger achievement.

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The most ridculous comment I've read in a good 2 weeks.

What?


You can't be serious. There have only been a handful of teams in Europe that have done this. Allegri winning a Treble is the possibly the highest achievement that a club coach can have.

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There was good and bad. I loved the Pogba and Morata signings from day one. But I think the success of the team overall was the belief instilled by Conte these past years. Sure, he got the tactics wrong, but Allegri couldn't have built us from the ground up like Antonio. People here will hate Conte but they have no idea how football works, probably because they are new fans. Ask Sergio about this, he has been a fan for like 30 years and I love his perspective.
There are good and bad signings with all directors Andy. No director is infallible. If there was one, then he could name his salary and have a blank check given to him by any club that wishes to have him. It's always a combined total effort. The only exception is England, but take a look at how that has worked out for them lately. And it isn't about Conte getting his due. Hell, COnte got most, if not all of the credit for the past 3 years. It's about time that Marotta and Paratici get the credit they deserve for building a fantastic club from the ground up. And that is what this team is. It is a fantastic club, from the sporting to the business side of things, and the prospects are only looking brighter.

This season proves that beyond a shadow of a doubt that it was never about just one man, but a collective effort.

Take a look at the team out there that beat Inter yesterday for example. A desperate, backs against the wall Inter that had just won at Lazio, which is no small feat.

1 player in the starting XI was with the club before Marotta and Paratici got here. That lineup that you see there is a testament to the 5 year project that this team has undergone.


I can't remember the last time a Juve B squad won an away match against anyone, much less a club like Inter, whom I had stated before are fighting for their European lives.

I just prefer to sit back, look at everything that has taken place in the last 5 years, and marvel at how Juve have managed to turn everything around in the past 4 seasons. It is really amazing and unprecedented when you think about it. When you think about the bold moves that were made in that first season alone, with the emotional ties to certain players that had to be cut, one by one seeing the old guard go away, and seeing a total roster upheaval in that first season alone.


There was a lot of work to be done, and Marotta knew it. I'm sure he also knew what he was getting into, making unpopular choices in the beginning. I would like to think that he probably didn't sleep very well for a couple of nights prior to and after letting Trez go.

And you know what else he is doing, Andy? Something that you and I, ever since Serie B, have been crying out for.

Pogba
Coman
Rugani
Dybala
Morata

possible Berardi and who knows what else.


He has managed to build a club that is full of champions, and yet he and Paratici are building a pipeline for the future. I mean, just let those 5, and possibly 6 names roll around in your mind for a little while and realize that Pogba is the OLDEST at 22, and think of where this club can go.

I mean there is no doubt that Juve are the envy of Italy, that much is obvious, but this is a model that I'm sure a lot of clubs, especially in England would not mind following. If I were an owner of one of those clubs, if I could reach the CL Final and NOT have to spend hundreds of millions every year, I will take it. A lot of these clubs buy stars and hope that they will fit in. Juve buy players that they know will fit in, and let them develop into prime players. If this club can somehow win the Treble, one could make the case that this would be one of the biggest turnarounds in European football history. Even if they only win the Double this year, this is still an amazing story. One that quite honestly, a lot of us were hoping for, but were realistically thinking 2 more years down the road
 

KB824

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LOL, I agree of course. It's huge, but this team was capable of doing well in Europe last year. The progress under Conte was incredible.
And I agree. I also agree that this team was certainly capable of getting out of the group stages last year, as on paper, they were a better club than 2012-13. But they didn't , and it is only natural that after you take a look at the roster, then the finger needs to be pointed somewhere

And I really think that the "hate" towards Conte is far less a tactical issue, but rather an emotional one. Let's face the facts here, he left us in a most difficult situation, whether the warning signs were there or not.

However, things worked out great for us, and it IS possible to have fond memories and be ever grateful to Conte and be thrilled with Allegri at the same time. In practice, it sounds very easy to do, but it is surprisingly difficult it seems
 

AOD4

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Nov 24, 2004
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Nah, he got plenty of credit and praise from the fans.

It's a shame plenty of people don't give Marotta/Paratici credit for the work they've done.
:agree: Couldn't have said it any more truer.


And oh No , not the Conte topic again. And ffs , he has been given enough credit. He made himself look like Messiah sent to save Juventus. Compared him self with Capello and Lippi. And blames the club, for not giving into his transfer demands to bring the club further. I will reiterate this, Conte was part of the jigsaw puzzle that led to our success. The board made 25% , the players made 25%, the fan and the new stadium made 25% and the coach is 25%. No coach can claim he build Juventus, and without Conte , we would have found success eventually. Not going to discredit his work, he certainly did way better than our previous managers, but the club is bigger than anyone. Conte owes Juventus for giving him the chance to succeed as a player and a manager, same thing with Allegri.

And phrase me back when Conte wins something else in his career not with Juventus. I'm hell sure that's not gonna happen. Because we had that 75% to back him up perfectly here.

In Allegri, he did more than Conte could . Just like how Mourinho improved Mancini's team, thats how Allegri improved on Conte's team.
 

Vialli_92

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:agree: Couldn't have said it any more truer.


And oh No , not the Conte topic again. And ffs , he has been given enough credit. He made himself look like Messiah sent to save Juventus. Compared him self with Capello and Lippi. And blames the club, for not giving into his transfer demands to bring the club further. I will reiterate this, Conte was part of the jigsaw puzzle that led to our success. The board made 25% , the players made 25%, the fan and the new stadium made 25% and the coach is 25%. No coach can claim he build Juventus, and without Conte , we would have found success eventually. Not going to discredit his work, he certainly did way better than our previous managers, but the club is bigger than anyone. Conte owes Juventus for giving him the chance to succeed as a player and a manager, same thing with Allegri.

And phrase me back when Conte wins something else in his career not with Juventus. I'm hell sure that's not gonna happen. Because we had that 75% to back him up perfectly here.

In Allegri, he did more than Conte could . Just like how Mourinho improved Mancini's team, thats how Allegri improved on Conte's team.
:agree:
 

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