Giuseppe Marotta (66 Viewers)

[Bianconero_Aus]

"The grass always greener on the other side"

That comment is apt when it comes to Juventus fans, especially other clubs transfer dealings.

 

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[DUKAC]

Mbiwa is better than ogbonna
The most deluded comment i've ever seen.

Marotta is good almost perfect manager.There is no comparasion between him and Sabatini.Ogbonna is better than Mbiwa.
You can't make every signing to be a Pogba or Vidal like.Guy understand our needs and combine that with the amount of money on disposal and until now he is doing fine.
There is no manager on a planet who doesn't make mistakes.No way.He was so clever not to buy that prick Iturbe for that ridiculous amount of money ,one of the biggest flops in Serie A .
But I object him about Ogbonna.His 15 mil price tag is way too much.Okay we included Immobile in that deal, but 15 mil .are 15 mil.Manolas for example for 12 mil,not to mention other players are much better than Ogbonna.

 

[JuveID]

Marotta is good almost perfect manager.There is no comparasion between him and Sabatini.Ogbonna is better than Mbiwa.
You can't make every signing to be a Pogba or Vidal like.Guy understand our needs and combine that with the amount of money on disposal and until now he is doing fine.
There is no manager on a planet who doesn't make mistakes.No way.He was so clever not to buy that prick Iturbe for that ridiculous amount of money ,one of the biggest flops in Serie A .
But I object him about Ogbonna.His 15 mil price tag is way too much.Okay we included Immobile in that deal, but 15 mil .are 15 mil.Manolas for example for 12 mil,not to mention other players are much better than Ogbonna.

I just hate when someone troll/insult our player just because marotta who signed him.

Moggi even made stupid mistake with signed salas for 25 million which equal with 35 million now.

To say "mbiwa is better than ogbonna " is insult .
And i have opinion about ogbonna.
I blame conte for ogbonna case.
Why conte used ogbonna who was new signing in bonnuci's position in 3-5-2?
Bonucci's position in conte / allegri tactic need to distribution the ball well.
Need confidence and good technique.
Not easy job.
I even never see Chiellini and Barzagli play in that position.
But conte played Ogbonna in there.
What a decision.
And as a result, we know it did not run well and kill ogbonna confidence.

And this season, i did not see he played in bonucci's again.
He played much much better than last season.
He played badly against cessena and Fiorentina.
But, we know in that match most of juve player played so so badly.
i agree it is still not enough but we must be happy with his improvement.

I expcect and hope he will have same path as bonucci.

Manolas and other defender is lucky not playing in juve.
Juventus defender must to do midfield job !!!!

Vidal and pogba since 2013/2014 just think about scoring.

 

[MikeM]

Welcome JuveID.

 

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[DUKAC]

I just hate when someone troll/insult our player just because marotta who signed him.

Moggi even made stupid mistake with signed salas for 25 million which equal with 35 million now.

To say "mbiwa is better than ogbonna " is insult .
And i have opinion about ogbonna.
I blame conte for ogbonna case.
Why conte used ogbonna who was new signing in bonnuci's position in 3-5-2?
Bonucci's position in conte / allegri tactic need to distribution the ball well.
Need confidence and good technique.
Not easy job.
I even never see Chiellini and Barzagli play in that position.
But conte played Ogbonna in there.
What a decision.
And as a result, we know it did not run well and kill ogbonna confidence.

And this season, i did not see he played in bonucci's again.
He played much much better than last season.
He played badly against cessena and Fiorentina.
But, we know in that match most of juve player played so so badly.
i agree it is still not enough but we must be happy with his improvement.

I expcect and hope he will have same path as bonucci.

Manolas and other defender is lucky not playing in juve.
Juventus defender must to do midfield job !!!!

Vidal and pogba since 2013/2014 just think about scoring.

Salas although I think came in a package with Nedved was a really bad move.And it's not just that one.As I said there is no manager on a planet who don't make mistakes.
But criticizing Conte because he played Ogbonna at Bonucci's place is just not acceptable.
He is a defender and he must play in defense where is needed.For example playing Pado on the left side and as a LWB is not his natural position but as required he played there on some games.The level of quality he played on that position is another question.
Ogbonna's best match I think was iwhen he plays pretty well in CL against Real.
We can't speak about losing confidence.Compare that to his 15 mil price tag.You mention well that two games .Especcially Fiorentina.He was like jogging not running and Salah tore us appart.
I wish him best but I don't think that he is a Juve material.Especially not a 15 mil.one.

 

[JuveID]

Salas although I think came in a package with Nedved was a really bad move.And it's not just that one.As I said there is no manager on a planet who don't make mistakes.
But criticizing Conte because he played Ogbonna at Bonucci's place is just not acceptable.
He is a defender and he must play in defense where is needed.For example playing Pado on the left side and as a LWB is not his natural position but as required he played there on some games.The level of quality he played on that position is another question.
Ogbonna's best match I think was iwhen he plays pretty well in CL against Real.
We can't speak about losing confidence.Compare that to his 15 mil price tag.You mention well that two games .Especcially Fiorentina.He was like jogging not running and Salah tore us appart.
I wish him best but I don't think that he is a Juve material.Especially not a 15 mil.one.

New Player play well. Conte deserved credit. Conte turn him into world class player. what a coach.

But, why if New player play badly and have poor season, it seems like conte did not have responsiblityabout that?

That is not fair.

I am sure you watch juve carefully.
How many times we see our 3 defender play like a midfielder?
It is many times we see.
And center position has more risk than left or right side.
Why conte played him there? Why not barzagli or chiellini who has more experience?
He was new signing after all.

Vs fiorentina i admit that he play bad.
But salah goal was stupidity of marchisio.

About padoin, kudos to allegri and padoin himself.

But not all player can do what padoin did.

 

[DUKAC]

I watched all Juve games from ,at least 1999 till now even when we were relegated.
I am not a football expert but I really don't understand your point about 3 man defense being a midfielders?
Who play from our defense in Conte era as midfielder?Especially when we have one of the best mids in the world Marchisio/Pogba/Pirlo/Vidal?Claudio was riding a bench for a while under Conte so there were no need our defenders to help our mid.
I don't defend Conte.He was very stubborn on some things but I really can't understand what is his fault with Ogbonna playing like he plays?Really.
Also second Salah goal was directly a Marchisio error but near was Ogbonna jogging.That have nothing to do with confidence .
And about Padoin he can fill some gaps of ours when needed but that's it.But his price tag isn't as nearly high as Ogbonna.

 

[Siamak]

 

[abrakadaver07]

I think people don't realize how great of a squad we've got with so little money. we won't afford replacing Buffon, Barzagli and Pirlo after they retire with players of similar quality. also Tevez, Lichtsteiner and Chiellini (in August) are 31.

 

[Hist]

Our objectives arent that difficult to achieve either. We have no competition in Serie A and we only need to reach the last 16 in the CL for the next two years.

 

[Knowah]

Our objectives arent that difficult to achieve either. We have no competition in Serie A and we only need to reach the last 16 in the CL for the next two years.

only

 

[MikeM]

I think people don't realize how great of a squad we've got with so little money. we won't afford replacing Buffon, Barzagli and Pirlo after they retire with players of similar quality. also Tevez, Lichtsteiner and Chiellini (in August) are 31.

Barzagli to Rugani.
Pirlo to Marchisio. (has already begun).

Lichtsteiner and Chiellini are not of irreplaceable quality.

The only two who could be challenges are Buffon and Tevez.

 

[Hist]

Barzagli to Rugani.
Pirlo to Marchisio. (has already begun).

Lichtsteiner and Chiellini are not of irreplaceable quality.

The only two who could be challenges are Buffon and Tevez.

Barzagli to Rugani is most probably a move down. We don't know yet but Barzagli's level from past seasons is pretty high.
Pirlo to Marchisio is definitely a move down. He is good in the current formation but the world-class pirlo we used to have is probably gone forever.
The licht is pretty tough to replace. I don't know many Rb/RWBs that are as good as he is and I think anyone who is is already playing for a top team.
Chiellini is probably easiest to replace since most defenders today are brutes like him.

Buffon at his current level is easy to replace but his leadership qualities will be definitely missed. Similarly, there tons of players that can replace Tevez, the question is whether we can afford them.

Our squad, though old, has some amazing players. Our attack was always the main area we could have significantly improved on were we a richer club. If we had more money over the last three seasons, there was nobody we could buy that would be a real improvement over Vidal, Pirlo and Pogba/Marchisio. Similarly, apart from Thiago Silva and maybe 1 more player, we could hardly improve on our CBs or Gk. We could have had better attacking wingbacks but never ones that were better at defending.

Our attack was shit with the Quag,Matri,Vucinic and that was the department we could have seriously improved on had we been a rich club. Barca and Madrid's attackers aside, the likes of Falcao, Costa, Cavani, Sanchez, aguero etc.. would have been achievable targets for us had we been rich and would have been a significant improvement.

My point is, we are already in the process of phasing out players that are almost impossible to replace with someone of the same level. Like you said Pirlo to Marchisio is a done deal. We need to stay at our same level until we can have that class of players again. Pogba and Vidal will be the only players on our roster that are THAT good.. hopefully we will manage to catch others on freebies like last time.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

Barzagli to Rugani.
Pirlo to Marchisio. (has already begun).

Lichtsteiner and Chiellini are not of irreplaceable quality.

The only two who could be challenges are Buffon and Tevez.

we'll be looking for marchisio's replacement soon he's already 29

 

[KB824]

Barzagli to Rugani is most probably a move down. We don't know yet but Barzagli's level from past seasons is pretty high.
Pirlo to Marchisio is definitely a move down. He is good in the current formation but the world-class pirlo we used to have is probably gone forever.
The licht is pretty tough to replace. I don't know many Rb/RWBs that are as good as he is and I think anyone who is is already playing for a top team.
Chiellini is probably easiest to replace since most defenders today are brutes like him.

Buffon at his current level is easy to replace but his leadership qualities will be definitely missed. Similarly, there tons of players that can replace Tevez, the question is whether we can afford them.

Our squad, though old, has some amazing players. Our attack was always the main area we could have significantly improved on were we a richer club. If we had more money over the last three seasons, there was nobody we could buy that would be a real improvement over Vidal, Pirlo and Pogba/Marchisio. Similarly, apart from Thiago Silva and maybe 1 more player, we could hardly improve on our CBs or Gk. We could have had better attacking wingbacks but never ones that were better at defending.

Our attack was shit with the Quag,Matri,Vucinic and that was the department we could have seriously improved on had we been a rich club. Barca and Madrid's attackers aside, the likes of Falcao, Costa, Cavani, Sanchez, aguero etc.. would have been achievable targets for us had we been rich and would have been a significant improvement.

My point is, we are already in the process of phasing out players that are almost impossible to replace with someone of the same level. Like you said Pirlo to Marchisio is a done deal. We need to stay at our same level until we can have that class of players again. Pogba and Vidal will be the only players on our roster that are THAT good.. hopefully we will manage to catch others on freebies like last time.

Rugani has arguably been not only the best young defender in the league this year, but the best defender, period. At his age, considering the stubbornness of coaches in this league to paly young players, to do what he has been doing, is amazing. Not one yellow card this year, either.

Pirlo to Marchisio, talent wise, is a step down, however they are asked to play two different roles on this club, so I don't think that is too much of an issue. Once Pirlo goes, unless they somehow get Verratti, then there will not be a regista that needs to be replaced.

Licht is, or has been, pretty limited lately offensively, and his crossing as always, has been abysmal. I don't think he will be all that difficult to replace.


Chiellini? Yes. He has been on a steady downward slope for the past 2 years, at minimum, and if his reputation out there hasn't caught up to his recent play, then maybe Juve can cash in on him.

 

[Hust]

No way will Juve sell Chiellini.

 

[Hydde]

No way will Juve sell Chiellini.

We should consider it in temrs of performance vs possible offers...but that will never happen me thinks. He is, like marchisio, one of the fan favourites and has been loyal to the club thru the years.

IMO, he never was the same after that euro destruction by the hands of spain.

 

[Hust]

He has his moments of brilliance still despite some setbacks.

 

[Lion]

i find it amazing that members here keep talking about tinkering with the defense when we have so much more pressing issues