Giuseppe Marotta (115 Viewers)

[CrimsonianKing]

No, juventus just allways looks to the italian market first, as we all know and love, and everyone is praying like fuck there'd finally be a good cb talent

So far, both who plenty tought were, kinda failed

I understand your point but things have changed, times have changed. We can't realy on Italians and expect to be successful in Europe. It's not gonna happen.

Of course we will always look at the Italian market first, the way i've always looked at Juventus is that it's the team supposed to have the best Italian talent which nowadays, unfortunately, it's nothing but a couple of players. But we need to equally look elsewhere.

Italians aren't even the best in defending anymore, let alone in producing attacking and creative players. It's been at least 10 years since the last good generation of defensive players so i don't see what the strength in having below par players for the sake of nationality BESIDES the number of homegrown players/country players we need for CL.

 

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[JuveJay]

Italian market doesn't just mean Italian players.

 

[CrimsonianKing]

Still Italian Market offers very little in talent compared to other markets.The foreign talent in Italy is either players who are using it as a stepping ladder for something better, players that no one wants or players that didn't make it.

 

[Lion]

exactly. it means doestic league.

 

[CrimsonianKing]

There's a reason Barcelona has actual Football schools all over the world. And several schools in Spain alone. They know even though Spain in the last 15 years have produced a lot of talent they need to scout everywhere in order to beat their competition. They find the kids before anyone else.

I know we're not them and we don't really go for the youngsters but looking at other markets and actually knowing them inside out is essential for this club's future.

 

[Klovn]

you despicable little maggot. that's someone's son

you despicable little maggot. i am someone's son.

 

[Lion]

that's absolutely true.

are you willining to go through a period of mediocre seasons in order to develop players though own school

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you despicable little maggot. i am someone's son.

no cares you half baske

 

[Völler]

What are you talking about?

Fucking hell.

 

[JuveJay]

Still Italian Market offers very little in talent compared to other markets.The foreign talent in Italy is either players who are using it as a stepping ladder for something better, players that no one wants or players that didn't make it.

The stepping ladder includes stepping up to us.

If you take the last few years alone imagine a Sabatini-esque mercato where we signed Benatia, Cuadrado and Alexis from Udinese for €70m (their total) instead of Bonucci, Isla, Vucinic, Matri, Ogbonna (€75m overall). You could go through lots of moves and basically end up with a world class team just from Serie A. Assuming of course that they would progress the same.

Serie A still isn't a cheap league to buy from when Juve come calling, so for that part I agree. But we've always done this, we laugh and joke about it but we buy many players with experience of the league. Of the ones we didn't it is just as much a mixed bag and waste of money (pro: Vidal, Pogba / con: Krasic, Diego, Elia). We have big success and flops wherever we sign players from, and the more expensive flops have come from abroad (no pressure, Morata).

 

[Klovn]

no cares you half baske

fu man, fu.

 

[JuveJay]

There's a reason Barcelona has actual Football schools all over the world. And several schools in Spain alone. They know even though Spain in the last 15 years have produced a lot of talent they need to scout everywhere in order to beat their competition. They find the kids before anyone else.

I know we're not them and we don't really go for the youngsters but looking at other markets and actually knowing them inside out is essential for this club's future.

I know we are playing catch up with the likes of Barcelona, but we don't go for youngsters? We sign a dozen each season, and have a worldwide scouting system (we've signed players from Brazil, Ecuador, Denmark, Latvia, Australia, Slovakia, Spain, Greece, Norway, Iceland etc in the last few years).

 

[CrimsonianKing]

The stepping ladder includes stepping up to us.

If you take the last few years alone imagine a Sabatini-esque mercato where we signed Benatia, Cuadrado and Alexis from Udinese for €70m (their total) instead of Bonucci, Isla, Vucinic, Matri, Ogbonna (€75m overall). You could go through lots of moves and basically end up with a world class team just from Serie A. Assuming of course that they would progress the same.

Serie A still isn't a cheap league to buy from when Juve come calling, so for that part I agree. But we've always done this, we laugh and joke about it but we buy many players with experience of the league. Of the ones we didn't it is just as much a mixed bag and waste of money (pro: Vidal, Pogba / con: Krasic, Diego, Elia). We have big success and flops wherever we sign players from, and the more expensive flops have come from abroad (no pressure, Morata).

Then answer me this, why didn't we end up with those players? If we are the club to be sought after in Serie A and the one who should have the best scouting in the country, certainly we should've signed at least one of them. One went to Barcelona, another is going to Bayern and Cuadrado will leave pretty soon as we all know, so a stepping ladder as i said.

Back in the day i'd agree with you, players would look at Juventus as the highest step in the ladder. Now we get the rejects.

The thing about big success and flopping comes down to pretty much this one factor called luck. Pogba was one in a million, jackpot.

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I know we are playing catch up with the likes of Barcelona, but we don't go for youngsters? We sign a dozen each season, and have a worldwide scouting system (we've signed players from Brazil, Ecuador, Denmark, Latvia, Australia, Slovakia, Spain, Greece, Norway, Iceland etc in the last few years).

Remind me of one single primavera in the last 10 years who became somebody playing for us? Or for anyone else for that matter.

 

[JuveJay]

Then answer me this, why didn't we end up with those players? If we are the club to be sought after in Serie A and the one who should have the best scouting in the country, certainly we should've signed at least one of them. One went to Barcelona, another is going to Bayern and Cuadrado will leave pretty soon as we all know, so a stepping ladder as i said.

Because no one always gets it right? They didn't suit us/money at the time? Various reasons I guess.

Remind me of one single primavera in the last 10 years who became somebody playing for us? Or for anyone else for that matter.

That's a different issue, you said we don't go for youngsters or look at other markets. I guess what you mean is that we don't go for 'established' or very highly rated youngsters from other markets (Vidal and Pogba, now Coman exceptions). We obviously have an issue with integrating young players, but this was always going to be a process which would take some years.

When a lot of the best foreign players come from the major footballing nations it's difficult to get the jump on the massive and wealthy European clubs. They end up at Chelsea, and then rebuilding their career. Very few big teams integrate players well, there is no space but for the very best.

Our model remains a team like Bayern, but it's true that we don't benefit from a football system like they currently have in Germany, so we have several problems to deal with.

 

[CrimsonianKing]

Because no one always gets it right? They didn't suit us/money at the time? Various reasons I guess.


That's a different issue, you said we don't go for youngsters or look at other markets. I guess what you mean is that we don't go for 'established' or very highly rated youngsters from other markets (Vidal and Pogba, now Coman exceptions). We obviously have an issue with integrating young players, but this was always going to be a process which would take some years.

When a lot of the best foreign players come from the major footballing nations it's difficult to get the jump on the massive and wealthy European clubs. They end up at Chelsea, and then rebuilding their career. Very few big teams integrate players well, there is no space but for the very best.

Our model remains a team like Bayern, but it's true that we don't benefit from a football system like they currently have in Germany, so we have several problems to deal with.

 

[Hust]

Spain has the B system for youth, correct? Italy doesn't. I'd say that's why our youth rarely develop into the talent we think they can.

 

[Suns]

Only good thing about the Italian market is that players don't want to leave if they become world class, they value Juventus highly. Too bad its the other way around as well, mediocre Italians that Marotta has a tendency to buy NEVER want to leave Juventus as well.

 

[Klin]

Italian market doesn't just mean Italian players.

Serie A.

 

[Bianconero81]

Italian market doesn't just mean Italian players.

It means Udinese and Atalanta

 

[Zacheryah]

We had no problems having an Italian core before because there were Italian players who actually possessed talent. It hasn't been the case for a quite a few years now.

Just stop talking Zach.

Dont know why you tell me to stop talking, as i agree with what you said before

Clubs have an image, something the fans connect with.
We have such a large fanbase in italy thanks to domestic succes, and because we allways had a big italian core.

For a while now we see the issue that there is a lack of talent in the domestic league. Whilst keeping the domestic league very high in importance, we kinda adapted to also look further then that.

Coman, Pogba, Vidal, Caceres, Tevez, Llorente all come from outside the serie a.
We'll however never become Inter, who at points field 0 italians.
You look different at this matter, but i can tell you there are ALOT of people who are like "all these foreign players, it should be a 3 foreign only rule per starting 11 so domestic talent gets a chance".
And no, thats not an italian thing, you kinda hear that in every european country by plenty of (usually older) people.
Here is the deal, we got quite a significant part of our fanbase that thinks like that.

Juventus prefers domestic defenders. Because they are more used to all them tactical guidelines and preparation. YES i know, a quality defender with a brain can do that aswel but lets be fucking honest here : there are no quality defenders, and everyone that looks like one, costs a shitton of money


Nastasic for this reason is a very high priority for me, and i'll get disappointed if we dont get him. He has experience in serie a, he's very young, big talent, very complete, just a bit slow.
EXACTLY what we need, cause we can work around the slow part.

 

[j0ker]

Less than one week left to do something about this bullshit mercato.