Xperd

Allegrophobic Infidel
Jun 1, 2012
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fiorentina finished ahead of juventus the season conte took over, so you were saying?

the only reason marotta could convince the likes of tevez & llorente to come was conte, first because he got us to be champs and play in europe again, and second because players love the guy. Marotta has some strengths but overall hes too provincial, and when all is said and done history will remember conte.
:agree: :tup:
 

Zacheryah

Senior Member
Aug 29, 2010
42,251
fiorentina finished ahead of juventus the season conte took over, so you were saying?

the only reason marotta could convince the likes of tevez & llorente to come was conte, first because he got us to be champs and play in europe again, and second because players love the guy. Marotta has some strengths but overall hes too provincial, and when all is said and done history will remember conte.
He's not. You really need to stop blind hate on Marotta man. He took over and had a mess to clean up. Fiorentina were building.
Del Neri has shown himself to be a provincional coach.

You far to easely ignore the enormous financial issues he had to solve when he came here. And how well he did that, allowing him to progressively build this team.

Certainly, you need a good coach aswel. But juventus clearly got the best team in italy. And that is down to Marotta and nothing else.

Conte using the best team, to tear down records, thats conte's achievement.
 

GordoDeCentral

Diez
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Apr 14, 2005
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He's not. You really need to stop blind hate on Marotta man. He took over and had a mess to clean up. Fiorentina were building.
Del Neri has shown himself to be a provincional coach.

You far to easely ignore the enormous financial issues he had to solve when he came here. And how well he did that, allowing him to progressively build this team.

Certainly, you need a good coach aswel. But juventus clearly got the best team in italy. And that is down to Marotta and nothing else.

Conte using the best team, to tear down records, thats conte's achievement.

and you need to stop worshiping him, do you see how ad hominem works? like i said he has his strengths and some credit, but imo bulk of credit of our success over last 3 years is il mister, just look at marottas recruits in his first year here :sergio:
 

LiquidPLP

Senior Member
Jun 9, 2012
12,237
and you need to stop worshiping him, do you see how ad hominem works? like i said he has his strengths and some credit, but imo bulk of credit of our success over last 3 years is il mister, just look at marottas recruits in his first year here :sergio:
Not that I'm defending Marotta but his first year here was the most difficult one tbh. Too many unwanted players, some on high wages as well and we had no appeal to sign any better as well as no money in pocket.

I agree Conte should get credit for pointing out with his finger who to sign though. Marotta + Conte duo was more of a decent partnership due to Conte IMO but you can't write off Marotta just like that. He's not the best DS in Italy but far from the worst too.
 

GordoDeCentral

Diez
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Apr 14, 2005
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Not that I'm defending Marotta but his first year here was the most difficult one tbh. Too many unwanted players, some on high wages as well and we had no appeal to sign any better as well as no money in pocket.

I agree Conte should get credit for pointing out with his finger who to sign though. Marotta + Conte duo was more of a decent partnership due to Conte IMO but you can't write off Marotta just like that. He's not the best DS in Italy but far from the worst too.
i didnt write him off :) i just said most of the credit should go to conte, i really didnt expect this to be a point of centention lol just ask any non juve fan if you think i lack objectivity
 

fredrik

Senior Member
Aug 7, 2011
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Crows might go extinct if allegri manages first in serie a and progress in cl. Only contes first season win was unexpected. The last two we had a much much better team than the rest. Next year will be a more even and competetiv serie a bc the napoli and roma project are further along. Conte is a good motivator but average tactican. For the last two years only with juve would he have won serie a.
 

Zacheryah

Senior Member
Aug 29, 2010
42,251
and you need to stop worshiping him, do you see how ad hominem works? like i said he has his strengths and some credit, but imo bulk of credit of our success over last 3 years is il mister, just look at marottas recruits in his first year here :sergio:
Marotta deserves All the credit for solving the mess in his first year, and afterwards building the by far strongest team in serie a despite not having to sell stars like all our competition

Conte deserves credit for breaking records with that squad, altho he was lucky in his first season thanks to impossible milan injuries
 

GordoDeCentral

Diez
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Apr 14, 2005
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Marotta deserves All the credit for solving the mess in his first year, and afterwards building the by far strongest team in serie a despite not having to sell stars like all our competition

Conte deserves credit for breaking records with that squad, altho he was lucky in his first season thanks to impossible milan injuries

the first year where he managed to sell the onlly star we had and replace him with krasic? or how we finished 7th again?
 

Zacheryah

Senior Member
Aug 29, 2010
42,251
the first year where he managed to sell the onlly star we had and replace him with krasic? or how we finished 7th again?
We managed to dramatically reduce the wagebill and lay off aging legends who were far over their peak.
We added some players, Del Neri didnt use properly, but Conte did.

Those sacrifices are the reason why we still are not a seller team, and every other team in italy is.
THAT, is purely Marotta.

But, we did see what a mediocre coach can do despite having a reasonable squad.
 

GordoDeCentral

Diez
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Apr 14, 2005
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We managed to dramatically reduce the wagebill and lay off aging legends who were far over their peak.
We added some players, Del Neri didnt use properly, but Conte did.

Those sacrifices are the reason why we still are not a seller team, and every other team in italy is.
THAT, is purely Marotta.

But, we did see what a mediocre coach can do despite having a reasonable squad.
like spend 30 mil on krasic + martinez, ya that really made us competitive
 

only-juve

Senior Member
Jan 5, 2008
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Man some people are stuburn and will not change their opinions no matter.

I remember when we had Secco here people were defending him like crazy. Whenever I or anyone else criticize the guy, they would jump on him as if we insulted their girlfriends.

The moment he left, same people are calling him names like sucko or whatever.

Ill bet right now, in a season or 2 when Marotta evountally leaves, same thing will happen to him.

Just wait and watch.
 

Vlad

In Allegri We Trust
May 23, 2011
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We managed to dramatically reduce the wagebill and lay off aging legends who were far over their peak.
We added some players, Del Neri didnt use properly, but Conte did.

Those sacrifices are the reason why we still are not a seller team, and every other team in italy is.
THAT, is purely Marotta.

But, we did see what a mediocre coach can do despite having a reasonable squad.
Someone really needs to post that shambolic team from a few years ago, so that folks can see the difference. Most players wouldn't make it to our bench today. Can board be blamed for unreasonable expectations by some?
 

donpiero

Stella D'Argento
Jul 3, 2009
3,370
Man some people are stuburn and will not change their opinions no matter.

I remember when we had Secco here people were defending him like crazy. Whenever I or anyone else criticize the guy, they would jump on him as if we insulted their girlfriends.

The moment he left, same people are calling him names like sucko or whatever.

Ill bet right now, in a season or 2 when Marotta evountally leaves, same thing will happen to him.

Just wait and watch.
:lol2: That's exactly what's happening know with Conte, Just a few weeks a go the experds were defending him and his achievements like their life depends on it.
 

waschbeer

Junior Member
Aug 12, 2002
116
my two cents
Marotta makes top signings (pirlo, barzagli, pogba, lorente, vidal, tevez, coman, lichtsteiner) for peanuts. all of them risk-free because they were already top players or did come for free. no-brainer but for this he is hailed as the king of directors by some members.

All other signings for the first team were either vastly overvalued or had no impact. The only exception would be asamoah and vucinic, paid big bucks but paid off. But when someone criticize marotta exactly for this money wasting, he is a fucking peasant with no brain.

It is ridiculous. I mean if it were Del Piero who was criticized for some mistakes, i would understand if people defend him to death because he is a fucking legend. But we are talking about marotta who works FOR juve and is not juve.
 

swag

L'autista
Administrator
Sep 23, 2003
84,776
In short: we could do better, we could do worse. What we need to do is to stop condemning the guy or glorifying him here with every belch and fart the guy makes.
 

Inglip

Senior Member
Jul 29, 2011
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We managed to dramatically reduce the wagebill and lay off aging legends who were far over their peak.
We added some players, Del Neri didnt use properly, but Conte did.

Those sacrifices are the reason why we still are not a seller team, and every other team in italy is.
THAT, is purely Marotta.

But, we did see what a mediocre coach can do despite having a reasonable squad.
Marrota hired this guy, he is only better than Secco because he has more experience.
 

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