If rumours are to believed, that's exactly what is going to happen. Probably in a season or two. Paratici will be our DS and Marotta will move into a CEO role.
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@Zacheryah, All right let's forget about failure at selling past players on high wages, being Marotta's fault or not.
But now that we're ready to take the next step, do you think that "this summer" players like Matri, Quag should be sold at a reasonable price (straight away, no loaning out)? and if they're not sold/they refuse to leave, would it be his incompetence in selling?
But now that we're ready to take the next step, do you think that "this summer" players like Matri, Quag should be sold at a reasonable price (straight away, no loaning out)? and if they're not sold/they refuse to leave, would it be his incompetence in selling?
As I've said on various occasions, we could have Moggi here at the moment, and it still wouldn't stop us from not being able to sign all these "superstars" on massive wages that all these rabid anti-Marotta scrotes crave for. He has done a great job in his role with what he has been given to work with (financially speaking).
I think we'll be able to sign at least one class player this summer (hopefully an SS/AM), and if he doesn't then questions should be asked of him.
I think we'll be able to sign at least one class player this summer (hopefully an SS/AM), and if he doesn't then questions should be asked of him.
The coach that failed hard in his first season here was brought in by Marrotta to begin with. A coach that's a known exponent of the 442. Marrotta sold Diego against his wishes and didn't even get him the most basic pillars for that formation. Wingers and fullbacks. The money was spent everywhere else but there. Krasic being the only natural winger. Conte was Agnelli's call.
I'd also like to correct you, Krasic though was more like an anomaly but Martinez had bad market value after he flopped?? Seriously?l so you're saying his original value was close to what we paid for him? You're wrong about that.
I'd also like to correct you, Krasic though was more like an anomaly but Martinez had bad market value after he flopped?? Seriously?l so you're saying his original value was close to what we paid for him? You're wrong about that.
But we want expensive, big name signings & we want them now 
It's all that matters
It's all that matters
We seem to be in for big names every summer though, don't we?? It's just that we haven't succeeded in bringing them in yet. Some for salary, some for club transfer fees. But it's that I don't agree on is the fact, that we've not had the money. We could've had Suarez before he moved from Ajax for 25m and on Llorente's wages, for example. But we spent on Matri/Quag instead. It's always going to be how the money is used. I've still not understood the Isla deal this season. Not that I'm blaming Beppe. It could be Conte, but someone should be made accountable here as I've said before. We bought Elia for 11m and sold him at a loss and didn't play him. We're on the cusp of Isla being bought for 18m after being co-owned and not being played. Are we spending on player's we don't want in the first place?
This season again, we have the money but we are going to be fighting the wage argument again. Marrotta's been in this territory before and failed. Unfortunately, we need to bring in one decently big player in attack and that's going to mean negotiating beyond our terms. I don't see Beppe do that. He's maxed out building the team, but this next phase seems like his kryptonite. No point in speculating though. He probably knows all eyes are on him to do what he's never dne before. I wish him luck and hope that he proves the naysayers including me, wrong.
http://www.football-italia.net/33427/van-persie-asked-juve-blessing
Van Persie 'asked for Juve blessing'
It’s reported that Robin Van Persie asked for permission from Juventus before signing for Manchester United.
The Dutchman had been extremely close to joining Juve in the summer of 2012 and agreed personal terms, but Arsenal would not lower their £25m price-tag.
Sky Sport Italia claim that when Manchester United made it clear they were prepared to pay that sum, Van Persie asked Juventus for their blessing to complete the transfer.
He did not want to seem as if he was snubbing the Bianconeri after already agreeing terms.
Van Persie 'asked for Juve blessing'
It’s reported that Robin Van Persie asked for permission from Juventus before signing for Manchester United.
The Dutchman had been extremely close to joining Juve in the summer of 2012 and agreed personal terms, but Arsenal would not lower their £25m price-tag.
Sky Sport Italia claim that when Manchester United made it clear they were prepared to pay that sum, Van Persie asked Juventus for their blessing to complete the transfer.
He did not want to seem as if he was snubbing the Bianconeri after already agreeing terms.
It could've easily gone in the opposite direction if we didn't have Conte working in tandem with him after his first season. Today, a player like Bonnucci seems integral to our system and set up, even Pepe even though he hasn't featured this season is integral to the 433. These are two players Marrotta bought for 25m, and had put them on the market in his second season here. They were both offered to Zenit, I think Bonnucci was offered in the Alves deal. Conte blocked both moves.
We keep giving Marrotta credit for the scudetto when he clearly claims that the task of his team was to qualify for the CL, that is the intent and ambition with which he was working on the squad. Surely, the coach and his team had the man management skills to help this team deliver on the pitch and win us that scudetto last season which made our job a little easier on the transfer market last season. This is not the conte vs Marrotta argument, but we need to stop behaving like all the successes are because of Marrotta and all the failures are because of the club and Secco's shortcomings.
We keep giving Marrotta credit for the scudetto when he clearly claims that the task of his team was to qualify for the CL, that is the intent and ambition with which he was working on the squad. Surely, the coach and his team had the man management skills to help this team deliver on the pitch and win us that scudetto last season which made our job a little easier on the transfer market last season. This is not the conte vs Marrotta argument, but we need to stop behaving like all the successes are because of Marrotta and all the failures are because of the club and Secco's shortcomings.
I don't think anyone here believes Marotta is the sole cause for our success. Not even his most ardent supporters believe that, not even when some of us were trolling with The Society-stuff. My own agenda with this whole Marotta-thing has just been to point out that he deserves a significant amount of credit for our success due to some of the best transfers in recent Serie-A history (Pirlo, Vidal, Barzagli, Pogba and Lichtsteiner in particular), and also to pose the following question to the haters; who would you rather want in his place? None of you have been able to provide a well-reasoned answer to that question.
According to the media, we're agreeing terms left, right & center with big names, but end up losing all of them because we don't want to spend an additional million when necessary. Surely, that must really be happening then.
You want to know what's really happening (Marotta has admitted as much, more than once): someone interesting becomes available (Van Persie or Aguero are recent examples) & we inform ourselves about the entire cost. It's too much & we walk away.
And after we have already walked away, media, "informers" & fans keep talking about that player for 2 months, refusing to accept it's not happening.
You want to know what's really happening (Marotta has admitted as much, more than once): someone interesting becomes available (Van Persie or Aguero are recent examples) & we inform ourselves about the entire cost. It's too much & we walk away.
And after we have already walked away, media, "informers" & fans keep talking about that player for 2 months, refusing to accept it's not happening.
Our board seem to enjoy these media stories, though.
The bold part is rather funny. If Marotta needs to start negotiationg with other clubs so that he could be informed of the inflated price tag and demanding wages of their star players, well, he doesn't suit the big role we have given him I'd say. He must be crazy if he thinks he can get such players cheap. He has to know how the market works, it's his job.
I'm completely aware that van Persie and Aguero were out of our reach, I don't find their price reasonable and I don't blame Marotta for not signing such incredibly expensive players. But either be sure of resources which could fund buying those players, or just shut up and be honest with fans: we are not going to sign any of those players anytime soon, end of. Our board is partly at fault for these dream signing stories and it is certainly to blame for the fans' disappointment.
The bold part is rather funny. If Marotta needs to start negotiationg with other clubs so that he could be informed of the inflated price tag and demanding wages of their star players, well, he doesn't suit the big role we have given him I'd say. He must be crazy if he thinks he can get such players cheap. He has to know how the market works, it's his job.
I'm completely aware that van Persie and Aguero were out of our reach, I don't find their price reasonable and I don't blame Marotta for not signing such incredibly expensive players. But either be sure of resources which could fund buying those players, or just shut up and be honest with fans: we are not going to sign any of those players anytime soon, end of. Our board is partly at fault for these dream signing stories and it is certainly to blame for the fans' disappointment.
Yeah right, those are all made up stories, we never were really after for example RvP, never were really in advanced talks with Arsenal, and agreed terms with him, all lies and media bullcrap ... except that when someone like Ferguson, months after the deal is done and dusted, admits that we were in pole position to sign him, (until the Marotta penny pinching syndrome kicked in that is), this just proves that WE WERE AFTER THOSE PLAYERS ALL SUMMER LONG.
But what's so bad about informing ourselves? That's the only way you can decide whether or not you want try signing someone.
Basically every signing we have made the last few seasons has been on our terms. Even Llorente, it seems. And if you remember, "everyone" was pissed at Marotta because he couldn't get him earlier. We'll lose him if we don't pay, just pay now, etc.
Well, we got him. And those same people who were pissed of about him not coming sooner, now aren't even interested in Llorente anymore. Because he's no longer the flavour of the month.
As for the whole media circus: those who care about it will get riled up, that is true. Personally, I couldn't care less (what is he going to say anyway? Van Persie is a player that doesn't interest us or Aguero is not the level of player we want to add to the team?).
Suit yourself. If me saying that we informed about Van Persie makes you think I said we were never after him to begin with, then there's really not much else I can say.
Basically every signing we have made the last few seasons has been on our terms. Even Llorente, it seems. And if you remember, "everyone" was pissed at Marotta because he couldn't get him earlier. We'll lose him if we don't pay, just pay now, etc.
Well, we got him. And those same people who were pissed of about him not coming sooner, now aren't even interested in Llorente anymore. Because he's no longer the flavour of the month.
As for the whole media circus: those who care about it will get riled up, that is true. Personally, I couldn't care less (what is he going to say anyway? Van Persie is a player that doesn't interest us or Aguero is not the level of player we want to add to the team?).
Suit yourself. If me saying that we informed about Van Persie makes you think I said we were never after him to begin with, then there's really not much else I can say.