May 22, 2007
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I'm not saying Paratici/Pavel will be bad either, I'm wondering what makes them so desirable over Marotta. For wanting expensive players?

Before Marrotta's arrival at the club, who would you choose for the role?!
Here is a poll.

http://forum.juventuz.org/poll.php?pollid=526&do=showresults

I recall wanting someone that didn't make the poll more than Marotta though. I still like that other guy, but right now Marotta has back to back scudetti.

He has been par for the course. People dont know who to identify as a successor, but the network around the club with guys like Conte, Agnelli and Nedved is much stronger than it has been in recent years, so if it came to a new DS, that guy in all likelihood is going to have to match Conte's sporting ambition. For better or worse. Irrespective of Marrotta here, I'm just saying, that's perhaps how people at the club would choose the DS.
Matching ambition with the money available I guess. I'll say now that I'll criticise a transfer for Osvaldo, Diamanti or if he starts signing squad players from other clubs in May again. If
 

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Zacheryah

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Aug 29, 2010
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You are a wonderfull butterfly. allow me to give you a better flower

- trezeguet was sold to lower age, as instructed by board
- board believed amauri(was in bad form, but has had fantastic start at the club), iaquinta, del piero and quag were enough for a good finish.
- we didnt got dzeko cause of 1non eu role and opted krasic. considering the players we had, and amauri's start at juve, a reasonable choise.
- quag injured, amauri&iaquinta horrible bad, we had 1 striker
--> desperate times, needed for 2 unplanned transfers. we had to buy matri and toni.
- aguero was to expensive. rvp was to expensive (we couldnt afford both wage and 25mil fee).
- fiorentina didnt accept 30 mil 4 jojo wich was allready to much.

- you forget the terrible image we had post calciopoli, and 2 7th places made it worse.
- he build a team that won an unbeaten scudetto and is cruising to its second consecutive title, reaching board expectations

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Matching ambition with the money available I guess. I'll say now that I'll criticise a transfer for Osvaldo, Diamanti or if he starts signing squad players from other clubs in May again. If
Its simple. marotta did excellent work the past years, couldnt do better and our trophee's show it.
He did exactly what the board asked.
Therefore, getting marotta has been a blessing in getting juve were we are now.


This summer, things change.
we have a dept squad,
250mil turnover (not very much but its allmost halfdecent) and going for a positive balance.
The only improvement is now to purchase permium quality assets. not quantity.
The strategy from now on is yought and 1/2 big transfers

Marotta has proven he can be the penny pincher we needed, and he made us self sustainable. now his role changes to a ds who needs to find that 1 quality player to improve the squad each year, and yought that are beneficial if they come of age.


Therefore, this summer we will know if the juve marotta has build, needs a new ds or not, based on wether marotta can handle this new transferstrategy or not
 

Roman

-'Tuz Fantasy Master-
Apr 19, 2003
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You are a wonderfull butterfly. allow me to give you a better flower

- trezeguet was sold to lower age, as instructed by board
- board believed amauri(was in bad form, but has had fantastic start at the club), iaquinta, del piero and quag were enough for a good finish.
- we didnt got dzeko cause of 1non eu role and opted krasic. considering the players we had, and amauri's start at juve, a reasonable choise.
- quag injured, amauri&iaquinta horrible bad, we had 1 striker
--> desperate times, needed for 2 unplanned transfers. we had to buy matri and toni.
- aguero was to expensive. rvp was to expensive (we couldnt afford both wage and 25mil fee).
- fiorentina didnt accept 30 mil 4 jojo wich was allready to much.

- you forget the terrible image we had post calciopoli, and 2 7th places made it worse.
- he build a team that won an unbeaten scudetto and is cruising to its second consecutive title, reaching board expectations

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Its simple. marotta did excellent work the past years, couldnt do better and our trophee's show it.
He did exactly what the board asked.
Therefore, getting marotta has been a blessing in getting juve were we are now.


This summer, things change.
we have a dept squad,
250mil turnover (not very much but its allmost halfdecent) and going for a positive balance.
The only improvement is now to purchase permium quality assets. not quantity.
The strategy from now on is yought and 1/2 big transfers

Marotta has proven he can be the penny pincher we needed, and he made us self sustainable. now his role changes to a ds who needs to find that 1 quality player to improve the squad each year, and yought that are beneficial if they come of age.


Therefore, this summer we will know if the juve marotta has build, needs a new ds or not, based on wether marotta can handle this new transferstrategy or not
+1.

Well said.
 

baggio

Senior Member
Jun 3, 2003
19,250
You are a wonderfull butterfly. allow me to give you a better flower

- trezeguet was sold to lower age, as instructed by board
- board believed amauri(was in bad form, but has had fantastic start at the club), iaquinta, del piero and quag were enough for a good finish.
- we didnt got dzeko cause of 1non eu role and opted krasic. considering the players we had, and amauri's start at juve, a reasonable choise.
- quag injured, amauri&iaquinta horrible bad, we had 1 striker
--> desperate times, needed for 2 unplanned transfers. we had to buy matri and toni.
- aguero was to expensive. rvp was to expensive (we couldnt afford both wage and 25mil fee).
- fiorentina didnt accept 30 mil 4 jojo wich was allready to much.

- you forget the terrible image we had post calciopoli, and 2 7th places made it worse.
- he build a team that won an unbeaten scudetto and is cruising to its second consecutive title, reaching board expectations



Trezeguet was not sold, he was loaned in Marrotta's first season here, and continued to be on our wage bill, which means we were still paying his salary. David fucking Trezeguet. If we did this to lower age, then why the hell did we buy the equally old Luca Toni on an 18 month contract?

And I love your reasons as being the board's beliefs "Board believed that Amauri was in bad form but he had a good start here' :lol: theres a difference from your reasoning and the 'board'. So please stop making it sound like you were there when Agnelli and Marrotta had a convo saying, Amauri has had a good start, it's ok if he hasn't scored in almost a year. Let's loan out David instead"

I agree, we didn't get Dzeko coz Krasic took up the one Non EU spot. Never mentioned the Dzeko scenario, although it came up last season, and if we had chased him enough, and offered the 25m City were willing to sell him for, he'd be here instead of Bendtner. Instead we chased RvP, got pretty close to agreeing terms with the player and maybe even agreed terms if you want to believe Di Marizio, but failed to close the fee with Arsenal.

The desperate times that you're talking about was in part of our own doing, because had Diego and Trez still been there, we'd have perhaps been better equipped to deal with that desperate situation.

I never said RvP and Aguero were not expensive. I know they were expensive, but if they were expensive and we always say we can't compete with that, then why the hell did we use 2 out of 3 months of the mercato pursuing those targets in the first place??

No, I don't forget the terrible scar calciopoli left us with, nor do I forget the 7th place finishes. What you forget though, is that the second of those 7th place finishes was under Marrotta's reign. And finally, assuming, we were hurt by the scandal, we finished seventh, and what not, but what was our excuse last year, as champions of Italy with a spanking new stadium? It wasn't the economic climate coz we offered 30m for Jojo. And went from RvP to Bendtner in one summer.

It's pretty evident, he's got his strong points and his weak ones too, but you need to stop deflecting the blame on the club for Marrotta's shortcomings.

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I'm not saying Paratici/Pavel will be bad either, I'm wondering what makes them so desirable over Marotta. For wanting expensive players?



Here is a poll.

http://forum.juventuz.org/poll.php?pollid=526&do=showresults

I recall wanting someone that didn't make the poll more than Marotta though. I still like that other guy, but right now Marotta has back to back scudetti.



Matching ambition with the money available I guess. I'll say now that I'll criticise a transfer for Osvaldo, Diamanti or if he starts signing squad players from other clubs in May again. If

I remember wanting Corvino/Sabatini or the other Nap guy, forget his name. He's with a lower club currently.

Osvaldo, Diamanti would be failures as far as I'd be concerned, and I don't think he could be excused with using Llorente on a free as n excuse either, though if push comes to shove, I can see that come up in our reasoning. I agree with those who say that just because a player comes free doesn't mean he's not worth anything. But this attacking problem has persisted far too long to ignore it and not fix it well enough. Conte clearly has his ideas with how the team is likely to move forward, and I just don't see how that problem can be fixed this season, other than qualitatively. It's all on Marrotta now.
 

baggio

Senior Member
Jun 3, 2003
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Like what, Bendtner being here? :D

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Baggio must know something i dont. Everything hes writing is pure fact, impressive.
Also, Zach seems to know what the board are thinking better than anybody here. My point is, and remains Marrotta has done as much good and bad, but we shouldn't blame the bad deals on the club's shortcomings. Am I wrong about that?
 
May 22, 2007
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I remember wanting Corvino/Sabatini or the other Nap guy, forget his name. He's with a lower club currently.

Osvaldo, Diamanti would be failures as far as I'd be concerned, and I don't think he could be excused with using Llorente on a free as n excuse either, though if push comes to shove, I can see that come up in our reasoning. I agree with those who say that just because a player comes free doesn't mean he's not worth anything. But this attacking problem has persisted far too long to ignore it and not fix it well enough. Conte clearly has his ideas with how the team is likely to move forward, and I just don't see how that problem can be fixed this season, other than qualitatively. It's all on Marrotta now.
"other Nap guy" = Marino?
 

Zacheryah

Senior Member
Aug 29, 2010
42,251
Like what, Bendtner being here? :D

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Also, Zach seems to know what the board are thinking better than anybody here. My point is, and remains Marrotta has done as much good and bad, but we shouldn't blame the bad deals on the club's shortcomings. Am I wrong about that?
- reduce salary and wage cap -> publically known and succeeded
- build a competitive team that wins scudetto -> publically know and succeeded, +1 for unbeaten scudetto
- Trust in amauri -> been quoted in saying as the reason why picked krasic.


marotta succeeded in every given board objective, and they were all publically known.

as i said, he was wonderfull for us. This summer, his task of rebuilding manager has ended, and we need a ds that can sign 1 premium quality asset each year + youngsters. This summer will indicate if marotta is also capable of beeing this ds.
I'm giving him all confidence :)
 

Bianconero_Aus

Beppe Marotta Is My God
May 26, 2009
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Marotta's work with us so far has been great. He has lowered our wage bill, brought some quality players to the squad (some on free transfers), helped improve and modernise our youth sector (Paratici as well) helped us to two consecutive Scudetti, and allowed us to be competitve in Europe again.

He has definitely made a few mistakes along the way; overpaid for some average player, and he has found it difficult to sell some of our un-needed assets and he can be quite stubborn when dealing with other clubs due to his penny-pinching, but other than that his tenure so far has been nothing other than successful.

Obviously from this Summer onward, we enter a new phase in this club in terms of transfer strategies. I believe we shouldn't focus on depth anymore, and we should only look to sign 1 or 2 high quality players to complete the team. I will judge Marotta/Paratici's work on this at the end of August.
 

Zacheryah

Senior Member
Aug 29, 2010
42,251
Well said

Sadly, what red says, follows onto that and is true

Whilst marotta is by far the best manager for the first phase that has now passed... in therms of signing big name players, galliani is the man to beat.

Altho, it also has to be said, Galliani has a tendency to slightly overpay on the wages. Not zlatan, but nearly half the team 2 years ago. he fixed it however.

I'm looking forward on seeing marotta try to take over his reign
 

Zacheryah

Senior Member
Aug 29, 2010
42,251
Exactly, i'm very glad more people see this.

I say, this juve is better then the bayeren from the 2009/2010 final. they had crazy luck getting there.

I really hope marotta can transition into the manager that signs that premium quality player on a yearly base, along with youngsters.

So far we do well on the latter

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He's certainly done it very well at Juve.
Does the board even have a reason to not extend his contract ?

From their pov , finances and objectives, he did everything right
 

JBF

اختك يا زمن
Aug 5, 2006
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Saying Marotta 'Found it difficult to sell some players' is puting it WAY mildly. Marotta is clueless when it comes to selling unwanted players and IMO, he's just above average when buying.
 

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