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Much of our initial success in the first two seasons back in serie A was built on the angry, determined spirit of a team wrongly fucked over, and mainly the latter years of several world class players...Dp, Trezeguet and above all others...Nedved. The end of ranieri's time at the club was the end also of nedved, and a definite lessening of in the least fitness and availability and usefulness of trez and DP. I think that was the time to start a major transition...make use of the experienced, entrenched professionals, as we bring through some youngsters and integrate some new quality players....diego was not what was needed, to fill the hole left by Nedved. with Pavel gone, so much heart and zest vanished from the team...
So i think, mate, that there was somewhere between a need to revolutionize, and a forced need to create a transitional period. Plant new seeds as the old trees die off...Secco fucked up with this job. So did whoever chose Ferrara...
So i think, mate, that there was somewhere between a need to revolutionize, and a forced need to create a transitional period. Plant new seeds as the old trees die off...Secco fucked up with this job. So did whoever chose Ferrara...
Yeah, I also feel we should look at the big picture. And, like it or not, that big picture will only become clear after the season, considering all these expensive loan deals.
I'd actually be very interested to see real, accurate numbers comparing this season's wage structure to last season's. I really don't think there's a massive difference.
I'd actually be very interested to see real, accurate numbers comparing this season's wage structure to last season's. I really don't think there's a massive difference.
But Neddy was already gone and we're still paying most of Trezeguet's wages.
As far as I know, the big earners that have left are Diego, Camo & Zebina (not sure about Poulsen or Cannavaro). But now we have for example Toni, Aqui & Quag who all command pretty high wages.
I do think that we're spending less on wages than last season, I just don't think that it's a really substantial difference. But we'd need actual numbers to be sure of that.
As far as I know, the big earners that have left are Diego, Camo & Zebina (not sure about Poulsen or Cannavaro). But now we have for example Toni, Aqui & Quag who all command pretty high wages.
I do think that we're spending less on wages than last season, I just don't think that it's a really substantial difference. But we'd need actual numbers to be sure of that.
So, let me get this straight. Those of us who have been right down the middle through this whole time are stupid. That is what you are implying. Those who choose not to get overly excited at every good move, and overly critical at mistakes, are stupid and/or mindless sheep that are part of a scoiety.
This is what a lot of us have been saying for the last several years. The rebuilding of Juventus needed to come in measured doses. Those who gave a lot to the club evenutally had to be phased out so that a new era could begin. This did not happen. A majority of the purchases that were made from 2007-2009 were complimentary pieces to an already aging core, when quite frankly, some of the aging core needed to be cast aside for a new generation. But Quite honestly, and this is not just in retrospect, but you could see from the level of talent brought in during that period, that there was not a a single player who could have been categorized as a champion. You replace champions with champions.
Yes, its a harsh reality, but its a business. For better or for worse, that's the way it goes.
Rebuilding a team to elite status just does not happen in one year, and even in cases where certain clubs have tried to make that happen, it just doesn't work. Chelsea have thrown hundreds of millions towards players since Abramovich took over with the singular goal of winning the Champions League, and they haven't done so.
There needs to be a good balance of a solid core to which champions can be brought in to give that final push, but you have to build that solid core first. last year's version of Juventus was not a solid core of players. It simply wasn't. It was a ticking time bomb where any sort of injury to a major player would send the team into an absolute tailspin. Anyone who is anyone could have seen the writing on the wall that last year's team was one on borrowed time. What 1 or 2 champions would have wanted to come to this team at the end of last season? It was a team in absolute turmoil, with no stability whatsoever.
I'm not saying that this team, as a whole, is miles better than last year, but it is better, and its a process of continuing to build on the steps that have been taken this year.
I'm as big a supporter of this club as anyone could possibly imagine, but I knew that in my heart that this wasn't going to turn itself around overnight. Even Camo said it best when he said that it would take 10 years for this club to return to its former glory.
Its not my place to be critical of the opinions of others on this forum, because in the grand scheme of things, I'm a nobody. Everyone is entitiled to what they want to believe.
But, my belief is that this club is taking a step in the right direction, it is an improved squad, and every player that has been asked the question as to whether they believe that in this project and they will tell you that they do. If they are aksed whether they stand behind the management and the ownership in this project, they will tell you that they do.
Its been a rough several years, I won't lie. I take every loss personally. The mood of my week sometimes is predicated by how well Juventus play at that particular week.
So, I'm not going to apologize for how I feel, and for the patience that i have in seeing if this all works out.
Yes, its a harsh reality, but its a business. For better or for worse, that's the way it goes.
Rebuilding a team to elite status just does not happen in one year, and even in cases where certain clubs have tried to make that happen, it just doesn't work. Chelsea have thrown hundreds of millions towards players since Abramovich took over with the singular goal of winning the Champions League, and they haven't done so.
There needs to be a good balance of a solid core to which champions can be brought in to give that final push, but you have to build that solid core first. last year's version of Juventus was not a solid core of players. It simply wasn't. It was a ticking time bomb where any sort of injury to a major player would send the team into an absolute tailspin. Anyone who is anyone could have seen the writing on the wall that last year's team was one on borrowed time. What 1 or 2 champions would have wanted to come to this team at the end of last season? It was a team in absolute turmoil, with no stability whatsoever.
I'm not saying that this team, as a whole, is miles better than last year, but it is better, and its a process of continuing to build on the steps that have been taken this year.
I'm as big a supporter of this club as anyone could possibly imagine, but I knew that in my heart that this wasn't going to turn itself around overnight. Even Camo said it best when he said that it would take 10 years for this club to return to its former glory.
Its not my place to be critical of the opinions of others on this forum, because in the grand scheme of things, I'm a nobody. Everyone is entitiled to what they want to believe.
But, my belief is that this club is taking a step in the right direction, it is an improved squad, and every player that has been asked the question as to whether they believe that in this project and they will tell you that they do. If they are aksed whether they stand behind the management and the ownership in this project, they will tell you that they do.
Its been a rough several years, I won't lie. I take every loss personally. The mood of my week sometimes is predicated by how well Juventus play at that particular week.
So, I'm not going to apologize for how I feel, and for the patience that i have in seeing if this all works out.
Isee what you are saying here, but this 'project' is taking it's twists and turn, we got rid of 4 coaches who all wanted and supported the same 'project' We keep buying crap players who add nothing to the 'project' It's time that they actually do something with this 'project' plan of them. Ofcoarse players and coaches say they support the 'project' Have you ever seen one who didn't? Or a player who didn't defend his coach while the coach was still here? If you want to build a Core, you should start from the backbone and thats Buffon, Then you got Chiellini and from him you build your Core, give him decent fullbacks and his partnership with Bonucci will improve massivly. You don't buy Pepe's and Martineze's for that amounts of money. Invest that figure in the department which needs it the most.
Juventus is also a big part of my life and the last couple of years it's been a complete moodswing for Juventus and me and many others, for them and me i'd say stop with this so-called 'project' And build us a squad we deserve so we can reign our former glory once again. We are Juventus and not some Lego toy which you can try to build and rebuild over and over again.
Juventus is also a big part of my life and the last couple of years it's been a complete moodswing for Juventus and me and many others, for them and me i'd say stop with this so-called 'project' And build us a squad we deserve so we can reign our former glory once again. We are Juventus and not some Lego toy which you can try to build and rebuild over and over again.
