Giuseppe Marotta (82 Viewers)

[Turk_Bianconero]

I knew this fuckfart was a bomb planted on the pillar of the club.

To the gulag, you criminal piece of dog shit.

He is underserving of any criticism

deserves to be clobbered instead.

 

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[baggio]

Amazing how underrated Conte's contribution to all of this is. He won scudetti wih the likes of Vucinic, Matri, Quag and Giovinco in attack, and everyone hailed the management. Fact is, the management got lucky with a guy who actually understands what it means to be at a club like Juve. They by themselves are out of their depth to be at such a big club. Balancing the books, or not, Juve are a big club, but window after window we've seen how incapable we are of getting our first choice targets. And just as importantly, not even really looking at the right places. Fact of the matter is that Agnelli and Marotta couldn't or didn't want to keep up with Conte's rate of growth and vision for this squad. That primarily comes down to them not wanting to lose control of the team and club actually becoming big enough and putting them out of their comfort zone.

Even the way we let Del Piero, fucking club legend go, shocking to say the least. Nobody should be bigger than these guys whther it's good for the club or not. I can guarandamntee both Agnelli and Marrotta would not even approach an Ancellotti level coach if they consider firing Allegri because it would mean they would be losing a bit of control with such a world class high profile coach. They will go back to looking at a Montella who is not big enough to call the shots and wrest some level of control away from them the way Conte was almost threatening to do seeing his approach and record.

They tried to repeat the same formula they did under Conte, but this time it didn't pay off because they were too daft to understand Allegris strengths as a tactician. Thats because first and foremost their intention is to be comfortable in their own way of working. I blame Agnelli just as much for talking out of his ass about how a CL final is only the beginning and then allowing the mercato to be conducted in the way it was. This club will never be a true European great the way we know it, as long as these guys run the show. Sad but true.

 

[s4tch]

summer mercato recap, after the team has been playing with a good regista-seconda punta relationship for 2 years:

- we have only 1 regista (marchisio), no backup
- we have 4 prima punti, no seconda punta; we're trying to convert dybala to play as a seconda punta; he won't have a backup even if he finds his rhythm in this position
- we don't have a trequartista (let's not fool ourselves by considering hernanes a starting material player)

let's fire allegri NOW.

 

[Klovn]

I knew this fuckfart was a bomb planted on the pillar of the club.

To the gulag, you criminal piece of dog shit.



deserves to be clobbered instead.

Cya.

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i said it in august 31st and i will say it again, he needs to be fired.

With Allegri.

 

[baggio]

Agnelli doesn't have the fortitude to fire this guy.

 

[K.O.]

Amazing how underrated Conte's contribution to all of this is. He won scudetti wih the likes of Vucinic, Matri, Quag and Giovinco in attack, and everyone hailed the management. Fact is, the management got lucky with a guy who actually understands what it means to be at a club like Juve. They by themselves are out of their depth to be at such a big club. Balancing the books, or not, Juve are a big club, but window after window we've seen how incapable we are of getting our first choice targets. And just as importantly, not even really looking at the right places. Fact of the matter is that Agnelli and Marotta couldn't or didn't want to keep up with Conte's rate of growth and vision for this squad. That primarily comes down to them not wanting to lose control of the team and club actually becoming big enough And put them out of their comfort zone.

Even the way we let Del Piero, $#@!ing club legend go, shocking to say the least. Nobody should be bigger than these guys whther it's good for the club or not. I can guarandamntee both Agnelli and Marrotta would not even approach an Ancellotti level coach if they consider firing Allegri because it would mean they would be losing a bit of control with such a world class high profile coach. They will go back to looking at a Montella who is not big enough to call the shots and wrest some level of control from them the way Conte was almost threatening to seeing his approach and record.

They tried to repeat the same formula they did under Conte, but this time it didn't pay off because they were too daft to understand Allegris strengths as a tactician. Thats because first and foremost their intention is to be comfortable in their own way of working. I blame Agnelli just as much for talking out of his ass about how a CL final is only the beginning and then allowing the mercato to be conducted in the way it was. This club will never be a true European great the way we know it, as long as these guys run the show. Sad but true.

THE TRUTH.

+REP.

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It's worth mentioning, though, that Antonio Conte was handpicked by Andrea Agnelli not Marotta. Marotta chose to hire his friend Gigi Delneri and was forced to sack him after that dreadful season.

 

[Xperd]

that Dybala purchase absolutely fucked the team, with hopes of turning him into a Tevez. That and selling Vidal.

What ? Dybala is an excellent investment.Can't go much wrong with that.

But yeah, he horribly mishandled the AM situation which is costing the team right now.I think the current mediocre attacking force would've been enhanced if we had properly invested in getting a quality creative midfielder.

 

[baggio]

When a player wants to leave us, there's nothing we can do. Even when they have a contract. And when a player doesn't want to join us also, there's nothing we can do.

 

[Nenz]

Can't see how Marotta of all people are to blame for this season. Hernanes was a mistake but a risk possibly worth taking. Mandzukic on paper is a good buy for 18M. Yes he should have bought a trequartista but the players available should not have lost this many points by now. Its a very good squad all in all, albeit not quite as good as last seasons. The turnover of experience to youth was definitely too sudden but ultimately out of his hands.

 

[JuveJay]

Oh this thread again.

Turk is like the Chiellini of posters.

 

[Bianconero_Aus]

I knew this fuckfart was a bomb planted on the pillar of the club.

To the gulag, you criminal piece of dog shit.



deserves to be clobbered instead.

Turk being banned and all the other retards melting down....this loss was worth it

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Can't see how Marotta of all people are to blame for this season. Hernanes was a mistake but a risk possibly worth taking. Mandzukic on paper is a good buy for 18M. Yes he should have bought a trequartista but the players available should not have lost this many points by now. Its a very good squad all in all, albeit not quite as good as last seasons. The turnover of experience to youth was definitely too sudden but ultimately out of his hands.

Everyone's fuck up. Marotta has seemingly failed in this mercato on a number of transfers, but our squad is still the best in Italy (easily IMO)...we shouldnt be where we are in the table and that falls on the players and coach more IMO. But really, everyone has to be held accountable to some degree.

 

[baggio]

Can't see how Marotta of all people are to blame for this season. Hernanes was a mistake but a risk possibly worth taking. Mandzukic on paper is a good buy for 18M. Yes he should have bought a trequartista but the players available should not have lost this many points by now. Its a very good squad all in all, albeit not quite as good as last seasons. The turnover of experience to youth was definitely too sudden but ultimately out of his hands.

Too many changes too quickly without addressing the core issues. Especially after losing the three biggest players of the team. No manager could've won with so many overnight changes, especially when those changes dint include the key position that was asked for. Not defending Allegris position on the table, but he is not the root cause of the issue here, alone.

 

[juventino320]

I love this forum in the meltdown

 

[CrimsonianKing]

Amazing how underrated Conte's contribution to all of this is. He won scudetti wih the likes of Vucinic, Matri, Quag and Giovinco in attack, and everyone hailed the management. Fact is, the management got lucky with a guy who actually understands what it means to be at a club like Juve. They by themselves are out of their depth to be at such a big club. Balancing the books, or not, Juve are a big club, but window after window we've seen how incapable we are of getting our first choice targets. And just as importantly, not even really looking at the right places. Fact of the matter is that Agnelli and Marotta couldn't or didn't want to keep up with Conte's rate of growth and vision for this squad. That primarily comes down to them not wanting to lose control of the team and club actually becoming big enough and putting them out of their comfort zone.

Even the way we let Del Piero, fucking club legend go, shocking to say the least. Nobody should be bigger than these guys whther it's good for the club or not. I can guarandamntee both Agnelli and Marrotta would not even approach an Ancellotti level coach if they consider firing Allegri because it would mean they would be losing a bit of control with such a world class high profile coach. They will go back to looking at a Montella who is not big enough to call the shots and wrest some level of control away from them the way Conte was almost threatening to do seeing his approach and record.

They tried to repeat the same formula they did under Conte, but this time it didn't pay off because they were too daft to understand Allegris strengths as a tactician. Thats because first and foremost their intention is to be comfortable in their own way of working. I blame Agnelli just as much for talking out of his ass about how a CL final is only the beginning and then allowing the mercato to be conducted in the way it was. This club will never be a true European great the way we know it, as long as these guys run the show. Sad but true.

Deep inside we all knew he is pronvicial and was always gonna stay that way.

We joked about being worried about what he would do if we were back to our golden days of spending big money. It started off as a joke but it can be more serious that than when you look at where are now. This was the first season we can say we had some decent cash invested in a mercato and as expected, a disaster.

If we don't do something quick in regards to our future, we'll be left behind by other Serie A clubs. We'll lose the appeal for big players to want to come and it's back to Borriello/Quagliarella days. All in one season. If Allegri goes, this guy should follow.

 

[Nenz]

Too many changes too quickly without addressing the core issues. Especially after losing the three biggest players of the team. No manager could've won with so many overnight changes, especially when those changes dint include the key position that was asked for. Not defending Allegris position on the table, but he is not the root cause of the issue here, alone.

I'd say Allegri is most to blame and Marotta least. Marotta addressed two of three core issues, that is an aging squad and replacing those outgoing core players with quality additions. He never managed to get the trequartista that Allegri wanted.

Allegri is just a bit too liberal a manager in my view. It was the right approach with a ready made squad full of experienced, certified champions who'd had one or two seasons winning together. He left players like Tevez and Pirlo to their own devices to find their best football by themselves. The slate has been wiped more or less clean now and it's been up to Allegri to instill his tactical ideas and discipline in a virtually new squad and he has thus far failed in doing so. I guess that's just not one of his strengths. Kind of like the anti-Conte.

 

[CrimsonianKing]

I'd say Allegri is most to blame and Marotta least. Marotta addressed two of three core issues, that is an aging squad and replacing those outgoing core players with quality additions. He never managed to get the trequartista that Allegri wanted.

Allegri is just a bit too liberal a manager in my view. It was the right approach with a ready made squad full of experienced, certified champions who'd had one or two seasons winning together. He left players like Tevez and Pirlo to their own devices to find their best football by themselves. The slate has been wiped more or less clean now and it's been up to Allegri to instill his tactical ideas and discipline in a virtually new squad and he has thus far failed in doing so. I guess that's just not one of his strengths. Kind of like the anti-Conte.

Wow, so easy to do that when instead of getting the most important piece for your well known tactical plan (which people seem to forget all the time. Allegri's been a classic Trequartista based formation since he became a coach) you get "opportunity random signings".

And suddenly finding yourself having to leave your comfort zone - something that clearly wasn't broken and needed no fixing - play a winger based formation with only one true winger, because although he is a wtf signing he's doing good and became your best starting choice, you take your best CF out of position all to accomodate the players that were given to you. All of this without addressing your needs. Sure, it's all Allegri's fault. In your head, maybe.

The only reason I'd vote for him to go is because he's beyond connecting with the players, that never ends up well. Otherwise he's an excellent coach that would have us at the top if we haven't dismantled his team and given him random fuckers to play with.

 

[Nenz]

Wow, so easy to do that when instead of getting the most important piece for your well known tactical plan (which people seem to forget all the time. Allegri's been a classic Trequartista based formation since he became a coach) you get "opportunity random signings".

And suddenly finding yourself having to leave your comfort zone - something that clearly wasn't broken and needed no fixing - play a winger based formation with only one true winger, because although he is a wtf signing he's doing good and became your best starting choice, you take your best CF out of position all to accomodate the players that were given to you. All of this without addressing your needs. Sure, it's all Allegri's fault. In your head, maybe.

The only reason I'd vote for him to go is because he's beyond connecting with the players, that never ends up well. Otherwise he's an excellent coach that would have us at the top if we haven't dismantled his team and given him random $#@!ers to play with.

Well a good coach should be able to adapt and make the most out of a squad. If you can only find success with one system you're going to run into trouble sooner or later. Besides, he didn't have a trequartista last season, but he made do somehow. I don't see why Vidal would be better playing in the hole than any of our other current midfielders or Cuadrado for that matter.

Like you say he'll do well when everything goes his way but in football, not everything does.

 

[JCK]

I'd say Allegri is most to blame and Marotta least. Marotta addressed two of three core issues, that is an aging squad and replacing those outgoing core players with quality additions. He never managed to get the trequartista that Allegri wanted.

Allegri is just a bit too liberal a manager in my view. It was the right approach with a ready made squad full of experienced, certified champions who'd had one or two seasons winning together. He left players like Tevez and Pirlo to their own devices to find their best football by themselves. The slate has been wiped more or less clean now and it's been up to Allegri to instill his tactical ideas and discipline in a virtually new squad and he has thus far failed in doing so. I guess that's just not one of his strengths. Kind of like the anti-Conte.

I would even put the entire blame on Allegri and nothing on Marotta, afterall Marotta makes no mistakes whatsoever.

 

[Nenz]

I would even put the entire blame on Allegri and nothing on Marotta, afterall Marotta makes no mistakes whatsoever.

By what logic should this squad provided warrant a 12th place? If you're blaming Marotta, you're blaming the perceived lack of quality of the players he bought but they're not players worthy of a mid-table side at all.

 

[baggio]

I'd say Allegri is most to blame and Marotta least. Marotta addressed two of three core issues, that is an aging squad and replacing those outgoing core players with quality additions. He never managed to get the trequartista that Allegri wanted.

Allegri is just a bit too liberal a manager in my view. It was the right approach with a ready made squad full of experienced, certified champions who'd had one or two seasons winning together. He left players like Tevez and Pirlo to their own devices to find their best football by themselves. The slate has been wiped more or less clean now and it's been up to Allegri to instill his tactical ideas and discipline in a virtually new squad and he has thus far failed in doing so. I guess that's just not one of his strengths. Kind of like the anti-Conte.

Your forgetting the many disjointed mercato decisions along the way. From letting Coman go, to then getting Cuadrado. The fiasco with Vidal, the Draxler back and forth midway through July. The Alex Sandro U-turn after nearly signing that other guy from Athletico. Hernanes on the last day of the mercato. The position that ironically had to be filled before any other position, being AM supposedly/notionally came in the form of Hernanes on the 31st of August, by which time pre-season was done and dusted and Allegri had to find multiple tactical and technical solutions to make his preferred formation work. On paper, we can look at the likes of Mandzukic, Rugani, Dybala, Cuadrado, Sandro etc. and think thats great, but our starting team was weaker, and only our depth was bettered. Sure, the injuries to other starting key players didn't help, but spending 18m on Zaza when there were clearly other pressing needs shows that the management and the coach were not in tandem.

Big clubs don't function like this in the mercato. We worked without any plan whatsoever after selling Vidal, by which time things were precariously placed because Tevez and had anyway already informed all and sundry that he wanted to move on. Two major pillars of the team gone, and we had absolutely nothing to show for it at the end of that. I don't care about having a flashy mercato, but i do care about having an effective one. And all things considered, we've only achieved soft objectives on this mercato which has been one of the most directionless in all my time of having watched and supported this team and club. Absolutely pathetic.

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By what logic should this squad provided warrant a 12th place? If you're blaming Marotta, you're blaming the perceived lack of quality of the players he bought but they're not players worthy of a mid-table side at all.

Being 12th place right now doesn't necessarily mean we'll finish there. We may finish 6th or 7th, but the fact of the matter is, that we didn't prioritise the true needs of the team this summer. We prioritised opportunity. A formula thats not sustainable for success at the highest level.

This is not to defect blame from Allegri's decision making, but to say Marrotta has little fault in all of this, is borderline blind.