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On the rise? I don't get that, his stats are ok at best, but watching him in the national squad I honestly don't get how he was ever valued at more than 5 Million, he's such a limited player and I'm surprised Marotta didn't see that. Marotta's deal for Zaza is only surpassed in awfulness by his deal for Jorge Martinez.
Dybala for Tevez. Mandzukic is not an SS in any meaning of the term. He is more of a replacement for llorente. We have 3 strikers and 1 SS now.
Khedira for Vidal is a good deal but risky. If Khedira is fit then we have one very good player replacing a world class one. If Khedira is injured (kinda expected), we had staruro to jump in and be a ball-winner or Asamoah. Now we also have Lemina. A down grade but not a big one only if Khedira is fit.
Pirlo was not replaced at all. A mediocre Pirlo distributes the ball better than anyone else, frequently scores free kicks and occasionally makes a trademark pass that creates a goal. Pirlo in any form organizes the midfield and distributes the ball. We dont have a single player (other than chisio) that can do this basic role Marchisio was his sub last season so we managed without Pirlo when he was injured. It only makes sense to bring a substitute for marchisio. We did not. Marchisio got injured and our whole midfield was in shambles. If we still had Pirlo (or someone else that can distribute like mediocre Pirlo), our midfield would have been a lot better.
Vidal was not influential last season. Pirlo was very influential even if he wasnt at his best. If we only had Marchisio and he got injured we would have gone nowhere last season and our midfield would have been as chaotic as it has been this season. The distributor role is a key role in our squad (or any squad). Having 1 player only that can do it is a stupid risk to take.
Rugani Neto, Zaza, Sandro, Lemina, Hernanes all depth signings none of which were urgent. They are good deals (apart from Zaza) but not the priority. Priority is ready made SS and ready made vice-marchisio and ready made CAM. Everything else could have waited.
Khedira for Vidal is a good deal but risky. If Khedira is fit then we have one very good player replacing a world class one. If Khedira is injured (kinda expected), we had staruro to jump in and be a ball-winner or Asamoah. Now we also have Lemina. A down grade but not a big one only if Khedira is fit.
Pirlo was not replaced at all. A mediocre Pirlo distributes the ball better than anyone else, frequently scores free kicks and occasionally makes a trademark pass that creates a goal. Pirlo in any form organizes the midfield and distributes the ball. We dont have a single player (other than chisio) that can do this basic role Marchisio was his sub last season so we managed without Pirlo when he was injured. It only makes sense to bring a substitute for marchisio. We did not. Marchisio got injured and our whole midfield was in shambles. If we still had Pirlo (or someone else that can distribute like mediocre Pirlo), our midfield would have been a lot better.
Vidal was not influential last season. Pirlo was very influential even if he wasnt at his best. If we only had Marchisio and he got injured we would have gone nowhere last season and our midfield would have been as chaotic as it has been this season. The distributor role is a key role in our squad (or any squad). Having 1 player only that can do it is a stupid risk to take.
Rugani Neto, Zaza, Sandro, Lemina, Hernanes all depth signings none of which were urgent. They are good deals (apart from Zaza) but not the priority. Priority is ready made SS and ready made vice-marchisio and ready made CAM. Everything else could have waited.
Mario is not a SS, agreed. What I meant was that Marotta enforced our attacking line by adding two quality forwards, Dybala and Mandzukic to compensate the loss of Tevez. LLorente was irrelevant, let's not fool our selves.
Vidal was world class for 2,5 seasons before he cracked his knee. For me Khedira is world class. He was regular in Real Madrid and World Champions Germany. Asamoah, Lemina, Sturaro and Hernanes are great alternatives.
Pirlo was absolute class in his first two seasons then He began to downgrade. Was constantly slowing our attacks and made less and less those trademark passes You mentioned. Moreover, he was a defensive liability. I remember reading those lines on this forum several times last two seasons.
Our first choice midfield just played two games together. What is more, Khedira and Marchisio has just returned from sidelines while Pogba is out of form. You haven't even seen yet what this midfield s capable of. The distributor role is key indeed. However if You don't have a player like Pirlo in good physical condition it is unwise if a whole game play depends on one player.
I think last injury crisis showed how important the famous depth is.
Vidal was world class for 2,5 seasons before he cracked his knee. For me Khedira is world class. He was regular in Real Madrid and World Champions Germany. Asamoah, Lemina, Sturaro and Hernanes are great alternatives.
Pirlo was absolute class in his first two seasons then He began to downgrade. Was constantly slowing our attacks and made less and less those trademark passes You mentioned. Moreover, he was a defensive liability. I remember reading those lines on this forum several times last two seasons.
Our first choice midfield just played two games together. What is more, Khedira and Marchisio has just returned from sidelines while Pogba is out of form. You haven't even seen yet what this midfield s capable of. The distributor role is key indeed. However if You don't have a player like Pirlo in good physical condition it is unwise if a whole game play depends on one player.
I think last injury crisis showed how important the famous depth is.
Either go for a finished product like Sanchez or Reus or buy Dybala and a substitute like jovetic.
In midfield, if you cant get the finished product get a regista with bags of potential like Tielemans or an old veteran like Alonso. Marchisio is first choice regista after all.
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Thats my whole point. Marchisio gets injured the midfield falls into chaos because we don't have Pirlo or a sub for him. Again I don't need someone that can do the trademark pirlo passes, but we do need someone that can do the basics consistently just like Marchisio. The distributor role is far too important to leave it all in the hands of Marchisio hoping he doesnt lose form or get injured. That was a giant risk and we already paid for it.
Also, I am not saying we did bad deals (except zaza), I am saying most were not urgent signings the way a vice Dybala or a vice Marchisio are.
In midfield, if you cant get the finished product get a regista with bags of potential like Tielemans or an old veteran like Alonso. Marchisio is first choice regista after all.
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Thats my whole point. Marchisio gets injured the midfield falls into chaos because we don't have Pirlo or a sub for him. Again I don't need someone that can do the trademark pirlo passes, but we do need someone that can do the basics consistently just like Marchisio. The distributor role is far too important to leave it all in the hands of Marchisio hoping he doesnt lose form or get injured. That was a giant risk and we already paid for it.
Also, I am not saying we did bad deals (except zaza), I am saying most were not urgent signings the way a vice Dybala or a vice Marchisio are.
Dude, c'mon.
Do not tell me that we can buy someone like reus or sanchez for 40 million euros.
And how much salary we should pay to make they want to move to juve?
Padoin or Hernanes will start over tielmans because for italian coach, tactical knowledge is so important.
Tielmans lack of that since he is so young.
I agree with alonso, but i am not sure he wants moving from bayern with our low salary and became vice marchisio.
Beside that name, who else?
Do not tell me that we can buy someone like reus or sanchez for 40 million euros.
And how much salary we should pay to make they want to move to juve?
Padoin or Hernanes will start over tielmans because for italian coach, tactical knowledge is so important.
Tielmans lack of that since he is so young.
I agree with alonso, but i am not sure he wants moving from bayern with our low salary and became vice marchisio.
Beside that name, who else?
Save the sandro money, the lemina money, the zaza money, the hernanes money,
Channel that money full for a sub for Dybala that is more experienced like Jovetic, a Passing CM like Tielemans (as vice marchisio thats not crazy pressure), and a CAM like Draxler, maybe Gotze if we break the bank would have been here.
Your squad would be
Dybala/Jojo - Morata/Mandzukic/matri
Draxler/Pereyra
Pogba/Asamoah --Marchisio/tielesman --- Khedira/staruro/padoin
Evra/Asmoah/Padoin---Chiellini/Cacares/rugani---Bonnuci/Barzagli/rugani-- Licht/cacares.
3-5-2 would have caudrado on the RWB too.
Channel that money full for a sub for Dybala that is more experienced like Jovetic, a Passing CM like Tielemans (as vice marchisio thats not crazy pressure), and a CAM like Draxler, maybe Gotze if we break the bank would have been here.
Your squad would be
Dybala/Jojo - Morata/Mandzukic/matri
Draxler/Pereyra
Pogba/Asamoah --Marchisio/tielesman --- Khedira/staruro/padoin
Evra/Asmoah/Padoin---Chiellini/Cacares/rugani---Bonnuci/Barzagli/rugani-- Licht/cacares.
3-5-2 would have caudrado on the RWB too.
we have enough depth, we have the ninth bigger salary budget in Europe, so we should start offloading some dead wood, stop bringning substitutes and only focus on starters. Should a better starter join us, our current starter becomes his sub and the sub is taking the boot. Simple and effective. The ideal balance is the LB, with the experienced, but ageing Evra and the younger, more dynamic Sandro. The Barzagli- Rugani case could be similar. On the attack, as Allegri sees Morata as an SS, we already have more competition than we need and should he leave, we will get Berardi with that 30mil
The injury proness of Sami and Marchisio also grants a strange balance.
The most obvious need for an upgrade is the Hernanes-pereryra duo,none of them are juve starter material and their spot, is a crucial element of our team, as we would expect from our AM to become our new Pirlo,as far as organizing our offence goes, smth that Pogba is clearly unable to do.
The second priority matter is the Licht matter, i am not sure if we can use Quadrado as a LWB and drunken Caceres as his sub, we might have to get a new RB asap, particularly good at defending, as Quadrado can handle the rest.
So focusing our time and budget at bringing those 2 juve material starters should be our only concern.
Free agents and talented youbgsters could also join as fillers, but no more fooling around.
No more wasting millions right and left and the 3\4 of the transfer windows for opportunity targets,
we need to focus on what we really need and have optimal results there, this is how smaller teams get better and cheaper players than us. Save our cash and only invest it on stasrters from now on!
The injury proness of Sami and Marchisio also grants a strange balance.
The most obvious need for an upgrade is the Hernanes-pereryra duo,none of them are juve starter material and their spot, is a crucial element of our team, as we would expect from our AM to become our new Pirlo,as far as organizing our offence goes, smth that Pogba is clearly unable to do.
The second priority matter is the Licht matter, i am not sure if we can use Quadrado as a LWB and drunken Caceres as his sub, we might have to get a new RB asap, particularly good at defending, as Quadrado can handle the rest.
So focusing our time and budget at bringing those 2 juve material starters should be our only concern.
Free agents and talented youbgsters could also join as fillers, but no more fooling around.
No more wasting millions right and left and the 3\4 of the transfer windows for opportunity targets,
we need to focus on what we really need and have optimal results there, this is how smaller teams get better and cheaper players than us. Save our cash and only invest it on stasrters from now on!
Marotta should work on cleaning the mess that was made this summer.
But it starts with Allegri, he has to do his job to clarify players roles and then Marotta proceeds with the cleaning up.
What I want is clear: Morata as the starter CF. You go from there, that's the basic premisse. Morata is NOT a SS, he's NOT a winger. He's a great CF who moves around the pitch and occasionally goes through the left flank.
Forget about Zaza for now. Prioritize the team, and the best for the team is clearly with Morata as a CF and Dybala linking up as a SS.
Use Mandzukic in a rotation/backup position. Avoid at the highest playing either Morata/Mandukic/Zaza together, only 1 of them should play at a time, and Morata should get the majority of games.
Next summer, try to keep Morata. If he leaves, Mandzukic is the starting CF, Zaza his immediate backup. If Morata stays, see if Mandzu accepts and adapts to a more secondary role. He probably won't. If he doesn't, sell him, keep Zaza is the direct backup for Morata. If he does, sell Zaza.
But it starts with Allegri, he has to do his job to clarify players roles and then Marotta proceeds with the cleaning up.
What I want is clear: Morata as the starter CF. You go from there, that's the basic premisse. Morata is NOT a SS, he's NOT a winger. He's a great CF who moves around the pitch and occasionally goes through the left flank.
Forget about Zaza for now. Prioritize the team, and the best for the team is clearly with Morata as a CF and Dybala linking up as a SS.
Use Mandzukic in a rotation/backup position. Avoid at the highest playing either Morata/Mandukic/Zaza together, only 1 of them should play at a time, and Morata should get the majority of games.
Next summer, try to keep Morata. If he leaves, Mandzukic is the starting CF, Zaza his immediate backup. If Morata stays, see if Mandzu accepts and adapts to a more secondary role. He probably won't. If he doesn't, sell him, keep Zaza is the direct backup for Morata. If he does, sell Zaza.