donpiero

Stella D'Argento
Jul 3, 2009
3,370
Those penny-pinchings and low-balling and dragging negotiations on and on and on over just a couple of millions sure will look stupid when we lose the CL spot and 50mil with it.
 

Jem83

maitre'd at Canal Bar
Nov 7, 2005
22,866
Made mistakes this summer, that has to be said. Has to take his fair share of the blame.

HOWEVER, we should still be able to beat the likes of Frosinone, Udinese and Chievo. Especially Frosinone and Udinese at home. Simply because we have better players than those teams have.

So Allegri has to take his share of the blame, too.

Fuck, what a disgusting season so far....
 

Emmet

Senior Member
Apr 5, 2006
3,938
The more matches are played the worse the Zaza signing gets. HOW has he ended up at fucking Juventus?? He isn't the second cousin of a professional footballer.
 

Mike-e-y

Senior Member
Jul 18, 2004
11,092
There is no doubt Marotta has had a huge hand in screwing our team up, he won't learn from it though, he'll make all the same mistakes again.

Vidal should never have been sold without us securing a replacement
 

Bianconero_Aus

Beppe Marotta Is My God
May 26, 2009
77,232
Made mistakes this summer, that has to be said. Has to take his fair share of the blame.

HOWEVER, we should still be able to beat the likes of Frosinone, Udinese and Chievo. Especially Frosinone and Udinese at home. Simply because we have better players than those teams have.

So Allegri has to take his share of the blame, too.

Fuck, what a disgusting season so far....
:tup:

Everyone involved at the club should hang their head in shame.
 

Boksic

Senior Member
May 11, 2005
13,459
Maybe he is trying to keep himself in the job long-term.

His specialty is making signings for midtable teams and getting them to challenge at the top. He did it at Sampdoria and he did it for us.

Now he is making us a midtable team again so he becomes the go to man to get us back to the top.

He really is a genius
 

CrimsonianKing

The end of Jihadism
Jan 16, 2013
26,278
Made mistakes this summer, that has to be said. Has to take his fair share of the blame.

HOWEVER, we should still be able to beat the likes of Frosinone, Udinese and Chievo. Especially Frosinone and Udinese at home. Simply because we have better players than those teams have.

So Allegri has to take his share of the blame, too.

Fuck, what a disgusting season so far....
His blame is bigger than Allegri's though. He dismantled the guy's team and gave him random players for different formations and Hernanes as the solution for his Trequartista problem while spending 100M. The fault is 60% on Marotta/our board.

Disgusting is an understatement. Worst in the club's history.
 

WΏΏdy?

Senior Member
Dec 23, 2005
14,997
His blame is bigger than Allegri's though. He dismantled the guy's team and gave him random players for different formations and Hernanes as the solution for his Trequartista problem while spending 100M. The fault is 60% on Marotta/our board.

Disgusting is an understatement. Worst in the club's history.

Exactly.

It's like those rakib formations filled with fappable players but just do not work as a team of in that formation. Of sometimes hust posting a team of our reserves that look awesome on paper but is simply not a team.

I still do not understand where all the money we earned from CL+player sales went. We lost drax the same way we lost aguero, it's disgusting.
 

Vialli_92

Senior Member
Mar 7, 2013
6,499
A CL final got us Hernanes. Surely, surely, next year with our financial growth, DiNatale should be well in our sights. Make it happen Beppe. And please try and get 30m for Pogba when he asks to be sold.
This was my problem with Hernanes as well, he wasn't going to improve the team and we looked weaker replacing with Vidal for Hernanes. It was a stupid move by the management to not get a truly world class no.10 that the coach so desperately wanted.

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His blame is bigger than Allegri's though. He dismantled the guy's team and gave him random players for different formations and Hernanes as the solution for his Trequartista problem while spending 100M. The fault is 60% on Marotta/our board.

Disgusting is an understatement. Worst in the club's history.
Ye this seems about right. Gave the manager too much of a headache and it was like he was throwing us random pieces of a jigsaw that Allegri has to some how put back together with pieces missing.

Allegri is a good coach but the team has no foundations any more. The attack and midfield has been completely reworked losing our core and replacements have not been up to scratch.
 

baggio

Senior Member
Jun 3, 2003
19,250
Problem is that he is out of his depth. Juve have grown faster than the management were ready for, and in many ways they tried to recreate a situation that plays more to their strengths rather than a situation that fits the natural evolution of the club and team as things stand. They tried to repeat the formula of the Conte season, where they brought in some written off players, some on a free. That's not the formula a team knocking on the doors of CL success could do with. Marrotta singlehandedly set the team back a couple of seasons with his approach on the market and it's crazy he was given a free run to do so. You simply cannot spent 100m on the mercato and not replace the one prime asset you were so quick to sell. It's shameful. Almost incompetent.

I just read an interview he gave where he acknowledged that we lost some of the experience with ate ex, Pirlo and the like, and it's so sad, but it was his job to replace what he identifies as a missing element in the team. You can rebuild a team all you want, but you've got to do it from the team's point of evolution not a process from scratch. We are largely thanks to Marrotta, today a team with little or no identity because it's clear as day Allegri doesn't know what the fuck to do with the collection of randoms that Marrotta has handed him. If Allegri actually wanted Hernanes as AM, he would be playing him there more than he has. He's been screwed over as far as this season goes. The saddest outcome in all of this is that we are most likely going to be missing out on CL football next season, and have only ourselves to blame.

The cherry on the cake being that Pogba will be sold st a cut price to compensate for the lack of CL money when we fail to qualify, and Morata will probably want to return to the biggest club in the world away from a mediocre club that struggles to recreate a formula with a coach that is good at tactics not building teams. Forget the percentages. And forget the past. This team cannot go any further with this pragmatic style of management.
 

WΏΏdy?

Senior Member
Dec 23, 2005
14,997
A CL final got us Hernanes. Surely, surely, next year with our financial growth, DiNatale should be well in our sights. Make it happen Beppe. And please try and get 30m for Pogba when he asks to be sold.
:lol2:

Di Natale? Only if we win the CL and Serie A. But if we do reach the final again we might lure pato and gilardino :tuttosport:
 

Vialli_92

Senior Member
Mar 7, 2013
6,499
Problem is that he is out of his depth. Juve have grown faster than the management were ready for, and in many ways they tried to recreate a situation that plays more to their strengths rather than a situation that fits the natural evolution of the club and team as things stand. They tried to repeat the formula of the Conte season, where they brought in some written off players, some on a free. That's not the formula a team knocking on the doors of CL success could do with. Marrotta singlehandedly set the team back a couple of seasons with his approach on the market and it's crazy he was given a free run to do so. You simply cannot spent 100m on the mercato and not replace the one prime asset you were so quick to sell. It's shameful. Almost incompetent.

I just read an interview he gave where he acknowledged that we lost some of the experience with ate ex, Pirlo and the like, and it's so sad, but it was his job to replace what he identifies as a missing element in the team. You can rebuild a team all you want, but you've got to do it from the team's point of evolution not a process from scratch. We are largely thanks to Marrotta, today a team with little or no identity because it's clear as day Allegri doesn't know what the fuck to do with the collection of randoms that Marrotta has handed him. If Allegri actually wanted Hernanes as AM, he would be playing him there more than he has. He's been screwed over as far as this season goes. The saddest outcome in all of this is that we are most likely going to be missing out on CL football next season, and have only ourselves to blame.

The cherry on the cake being that Pogba will be sold st a cut price to compensate for the lack of CL money when we fail to qualify, and Morata will probably want to return to the biggest club in the world away from a mediocre club that struggles to recreate a formula with a coach that is good at tactics not building teams. Forget the percentages. And forget the past. This team cannot go any further with this pragmatic style of management.
It just looked like Marotta thought that what ever he touched would turn to gold. Didn't matter who he sold and replaced him with because of how well he done in the past. He was too confident going into this mercato and failed big time with the replacements. It's not like he was short of money to spend either.

After we signed Dybala we should have went all out for a top quality AM seeing as Vidal was sold who occupied that position last season.
 

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