Gianluigi Donnarumma - GK - AC Milan (4 Viewers)

[Juve92]

Exactly. If Donna deserves 10 then Dybala surely deserves 15

Fuck them both.

 

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[Juve_addict_FIN]

I said on this page. And I said 50 times already but:

2) we'd have Donnarumma as one of our highest paid players here which is laughable because he doesn't deserve it based on his current performances

Last 5 games in league; 0 given goals
Last 6 games in NT; 0 given goals

 

[Dostoevsky]

Last 5 games in league; 0 given goals
Last 6 games in NT; 0 given goals

Oh, I see. We should spend those wages based on 6 games. That makes sense.

 

[Juve_addict_FIN]

Oh, I see. We should spend those wages based on 6 games. That makes sense.

Then why did you refer to his current performance?!

 

[Dostoevsky]

Then why did you refer to his current performance?!

Sounds more soft than "he didn't prove his value during his whole stay at Milan". But I could say that too, if it's more politically correct.

 

[DAiDEViL]

Top keepers have around 80 % saves succes rate. Szczesny had around 68-69 % this season, but tbf it was one of his worst. Last season he had 74.4 which gives him place in top 10 goalkeepers in the world. Still its much worse than Oblak who gets around 80 % each season.
Donnarumma on the other hand never reached more than 71 % save success rate, but he is improving by each year.:
2017/2018 - 68.42 %
2018/2019 - no data
2019/2020 - 70.63 %
2021/2021 - 70.77 %

That fast improvement! Let's hope that in like 10 years or so he'll be worth the wages we gonna give him now.

 

[Gigiventus]

De Ligt is on 8mln plus bonuses. Donna would most likely get 10 flat with more bonusses included. He came here as one of the best young CB players while doing great in Ajax, even in European competition where they left a big mark, unlike Milan who didn't even taste it. Even others wanted him yet we somehow managed to get him and it turned out great.

Donnarumma was a starter for 6th place Milan. The only reason he's overhyped is simply because he's "next Buffon" for one single reason: he's Italian. If he was Belgium GK we wouldn't even bid, let alone make him our highest paid player.

Are we forgetting that our GK is Polish?

Way too much underrating of Donnarumma simply because he plays for Milan and they haven't been in CL. He is by far the best GK in the league and at 22yo there is no young GK close to him. Same concept as the deal for De Ligt except Donnarumma is more experienced. With 250 games for Milan, a captain at 22yo, we are talking about someone extraordinary.

To sign Donnarumma as a free agent is a huge opportunity.

Hopefully PSG doesn't beat us to him.

 

[Akshen]

That fast improvement! Let's hope that in like 10 years or so he'll be worth the wages we gonna give him now.

tbf, lookin at seasons before, he is even getting worse:
2015/2016 - 74.11 %
2016/2017 - 76.44 %

still its just stats, cant base everything on them.

 

[rainhard]

Milan getting Maignan, Milan wont pay 15-20M to Raiola

So lets see if we paid him 10M per year and 20M commission

It will be 40M (fee + gross salary)
20M for another year
20M for another year when he is peak

Sell him for 80-100M then we still surplus

And we get surplus for Tek sales right now
And Gigio probably provide more or same like Tek plus he is younger and still imoroving

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[DAiDEViL]

tbf, lookin at seasons before, he is even getting worse:
2015/2016 - 74.11 %
2016/2017 - 76.44 %

still its just stats, cant base everything on them.

I don't like him. But I wouldn't be much against signing him if it wasn't for Mino and Dollar both milking us dry with those rumored numbers, including bringing in his leech brother. Just an utter joke of a deal if it goes through. It's a deal solely based on what could be and he wouldn't be the first "next Buffon" to fail.

Right now he certainly doesn't deserve those wages.

Those who gloat about him also don't get to wine about the blunders he produces.

 

[Akshen]

I don't like him. But I wouldn't be much against signing him if it wasn't for Mino and Dollar both milking us dry with those rumored numbers, including bringing in his leech brother. Just an utter joke of a deal if it goes through. It's a deal solely based on what could be and he wouldn't be the first "next Buffon" to fail.

Right now he certainly doesn't deserve those wages.

Those who gloat about him also don't get to wine about the blunders he produces.

I think we can all agree that he is similiar level to current Szczesny and Szczesny earns around 6 mil, overpaying 4 mils for a youngster who could stay for 10 years or bring you a hefty transfer fee doesnt seem to be a bad deal.

 

[Xperd]

I think we can all agree that he is similiar level to current Szczesny and Szczesny earns around 6 mil, overpaying 4 mils for a youngster who could stay for 10 years or bring you a hefty transfer fee doesnt seem to be a bad deal.

By the end of his contract, he'll be demanding €20M a year.

With Raiola, there's no guarantee that he could stay on in the long term.

 

[Strickland]

Top keepers have around 80 % saves succes rate. Szczesny had around 68-69 % this season, but tbf it was one of his worst. Last season he had 74.4 which gives him place in top 10 goalkeepers in the world. Still its much worse than Oblak who gets around 80 % each season.
Donnarumma on the other hand never reached more than 71 % save success rate, but he is improving by each year.:
2017/2018 - 68.42 %
2018/2019 - no data
2019/2020 - 70.63 %
2021/2021 - 70.77 %

Szczesny:
2017/2018 - 72.73 %
2018/2019 - no data
2019/2020 - 74.42 %
2021/2021 - 68.93 %

Oblak is on different level though:
2017/2018 - 83.21%
2018/2019 - 79.95 %
2019/2020 - 76.72 %
2021/2021 - 80.47 %

Handanovic:
2017/2018 - 75.61%
2018/2019 - no data
2019/2020 - 71.68 %
2021/2021 - 70.27 %

now the question is how much can Donnarumma improve and is Szczesny really getting worse or it was just one season. Anyway this stats just shows how much better Oblak really is, only Courtois can be compared to him in last seasons and Navas maybe.

Courtois:
2017/2018 - 69.09 %
2018/2019 - 65.71 %
2019/2020 - 79.17 %
2021/2021 - 76.27 %

Navas:
2017/2018 - 72.81 %
2018/2019 - 74.19%
2019/2020 - 73.13 %
2021/2021 - 80.43 %

And Milan is trading Donna, for this:
Maignan:
2017/2018 - 67.68 %
2018/2019 - 74.02 %
2019/2020 - 68.60 %
2021/2021 - 79.09 %

Btw this are just league stats.

I think xGA is much more fair to use as it allows for some division between shots from 5m and 35m, here they all are just bundled together, so the type and quality of defense plays a really big role.

This season Donna is +7.84 (letting in almost 8 goals less than expected based on the xG model)
Gigi is +3.52
Woj is -3.19

source: understat.com

Sure, its still just stats, but I think it paints a better picture than pure save %.

 

[Akshen]

I think xGA is much more fair to use as it allows for some division between shots from 5m and 35m, here they all are just bundled together, so the type and quality of defense plays a really big role.

This season Donna is +7.84 (letting in almost 8 goals less than expected based on the xG model)
Gigi is +3.52
Woj is -3.19

Where can i find this stat? its probably much more accurate as u said and I would like to check how Donna stands compared to the other top gks.
BTW. Szczesny looks really bad in this stat.

 

[Strickland]

Where can i find this stat? its probably much more accurate as u said and I would like to check how Donna stands compared to the other top gks.
BTW. Szczesny looks really bad in this stat.

Woj in multiples games has also looked really bad on pitch not just in stats understat.com, but they only give you team stats, so if you wanna get Gigi and Woj individuals, you have to go through the games Gigi played and calculate yourself.

 

[Akshen]

i found this:
https://fbref.com/en/comps/Big5/keepersadv/players/Big-5-European-Leagues-Stats
Oblak +9.8
Maignan +4.8
Perin +4.8
Donnarumma +2.7
Buffon 0.0
Szczesny -1.9
So even on this site Szczesny looks bad. But he is second best passing GK according to this site, only behind Neuer.

 

[U Picciriddu]

De Ligt is on 8mln plus bonuses. Donna would most likely get 10 flat with more bonusses included. He came here as one of the best young CB players while doing great in Ajax, even in European competition where they left a big mark, unlike Milan who didn't even taste it. Even others wanted him yet we somehow managed to get him and it turned out great.

Donnarumma was a starter for 6th place Milan. The only reason he's overhyped is simply because he's "next Buffon" for one single reason: he's Italian. If he was Belgium GK we wouldn't even bid, let alone make him our highest paid player.

I don’t really like how you’re comparing De Ligt and Donnarumma. Both were amazing talents, making their debuts at 16 years of age already.

De Ligt came in when Ajax had their most successful period since the ‘90s, and of course he contributed to their succes as he became their captain over time. The really had some key players with a overachieving Tadic, with Ziyech who was great, De Jong and Blind who complimented De Ligt.

Big difference is that everyone here follows the Serie A, and recalls every mistake Donnarumma has made, unlike with De Ligt and Ajax where his mistakes there remain forgotten.

Just because Donnarumma played in a meme Milan it doesn’t mean he doesn’t have the talent. Ending 6th place with garbage on the field doesn’t necessarily make him a bad keeper.

We’re talking about a 22 y/o with 6 years Serie A experience, a starter for his country (with some interesting other keepers aswel) and someone who’s already captain for his team, that’s quite a lot for someone who isn’t even near his prime.

Btw Italians are far from hyped after the last decade. If Locatelli was Spanish and played in La Liga or PL we’d be paying 60m for him to give a comparison.

If you don’t agree on his salary then it’s your right of course, can’t say that I disagree or feel comfortable with him getting that amount of money, but for sure he isn’t your regular goalkeeper like Perin we signed from Genoa. He isn’t a finished product either; still has a long way to go but he’s regarded as the best young goalkeeper in Europe and that’s because he’s great considering his age.

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By the end of his contract, he'll be demanding €20M a year.

With Raiola, there's no guarantee that he could stay on in the long term.

So we should sell De Ligt while we still can?

 

[Ronn]

Sounds like Milan forced Raiola’s hand, and now Raiola is linking him with all the usual suspects to drive up his commission.

 

[DAiDEViL]

i found this:
https://fbref.com/en/comps/Big5/keepersadv/players/Big-5-European-Leagues-Stats
Oblak +9.8
Maignan +4.8
Perin +4.8
Donnarumma +2.7
Buffon 0.0
Szczesny -1.9
So even on this site Szczesny looks bad. But he is second best passing GK according to this site, only behind Neuer.

Let's sign Perin then lol

 

[petersmit]

Perin is already ours