General Religion & Philosophy Discussion Thread (13 Viewers)

[campionesidd]

Yes I remember that one of the sects believes it's Mohammeds son while the other believe it's some imam can't recall his name. Correct?

More or less.
Shia's believe he appointed his cousin Ali and while Sunnis believe he didn't appoint a successor, they think his father in law was the rightful caliph.

 

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[AndreaCristiano]

More or less.
Shia's believe he appointed his cousin Ali and while Sunnis believe he didn't appoint a successor, they think his father in law was the rightful caliph.

Ahh I understand. Here is a question why is it so hard to find an English or Italian Quran? Not that I am interested to covert but I have read many other religions texts to understand them but it is very hard to find a Quran in English or Italian for that matter

 

[alex_samatar]

Ahh I understand. Here is a question why is it so hard to find an English or Italian Quran? Not that I am interested to covert but I have read many other religions texts to understand them but it is very hard to find a Quran in English or Italian for that matter

You can find The Quran in any language you want. The Quran translated in any language that exists let alone English and Italian which are international languages.

 

[Lapa]

Ahh I understand. Here is a question why is it so hard to find an English or Italian Quran? Not that I am interested to covert but I have read many other religions texts to understand them but it is very hard to find a Quran in English or Italian for that matter

Italian and English perps are smart enough to skip that shit. I believe you already knew that.

 

[alex_samatar]

Italian and English perps are smart enough to skip that shit. I believe you already knew that.

I really don’t get your post but aren’t you a Muslim yourself? Or I am mistaking you for someone else.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Excellent excellent video. Please watch with an open mind

 

[X Æ A-12]

For a religion that dislikes the gays these "hey bro I know you don't believe and that's totally cool, i had my doubts, rock on bro but did you know..." videos are pretty gay.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Way shorter, less self absorbed, and more sound:

"But I speak not to nations, only to the individual few, for whom it goes without saying that cultural values do not drop down like manna from heaven, but are created by the hands of individuals. If things go wrong in the world, this is because something is wrong with the individual, because something is wrong with me. Therefore, if I am sensible, I shall put myself right first. For this I need—because outside authority no longer means anything to me—a knowledge of the innermost foundations of my being, in order that I may base myself firmly on the eternal facts of the human psyche.”

 

[X Æ A-12]

Way shorter, less self absorbed, and more sound:

"But I speak not to nations, only to the individual few, for whom it goes without saying that cultural values do not drop down like manna from heaven, but are created by the hands of individuals. If things go wrong in the world, this is because something is wrong with the individual, because something is wrong with me. Therefore, if I am sensible, I shall put myself right first. For this I need—because outside authority no longer means anything to me—a knowledge of the innermost foundations of my being, in order that I may base myself firmly on the eternal facts of the human psyche.”

I like this quote. Where is it from?

The video did have a very valid point about a gap in morals and purpose in an increasingly non-religious world but it loses me as neither of those things require a literal belief in fake deity.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

I like this quote. Where is it from?

The video did have a very valid point about a gap in morals and purpose in an increasingly non-religious world but it loses me as neither of those things require a literal belief in fake deity.

The meaning of psychology for modern man, Carl Jung

 

[campionesidd]

Excellent excellent video. Please watch with an open mind

I disagree.
The video is mostly bashing on the 'left'. Left and right are political labels that have different meanings for different countries, but the guy in the video makes it sound like the left is a homogenous political movement. While I disagree with almost all the political ideas he puts out, I don't want to discuss them in this thread.
He presents no historical evidence for the claim that non-religious societies collapse or implode. There are tons of non religious countries that are doing extremely well economically and socially (Finland, Norway, Japan, Denmark New Zealand, Australia etc etc) and there are tons of religious countries that are in a world of trouble (Venzuela, Honduras, Guatemala, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran etc etc).
He makes no arguments for the necessity of a belief in God to maintain moral values in society.
Finally, me makes no arguments for Christianity itself. There are a million different religions, most of them with mutually exclusive beliefs.
His entire argument seems to sense from the fact that given the overwhelming negative nature of our society(which is false by the way, human society is farmore peaceful than it has ever been source: https://ourworldindata.org/war-and-peace), we need a positive guiding light to overcome it, to which I can only reply with this quote from George Bernard Shaw "The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one."

 

[AndreaCristiano]

I disagree.
The video is mostly bashing on the 'left'. Left and right are political labels that have different meanings for different countries, but the guy in the video makes it sound like the left is a homogenous political movement. While I disagree with almost all the political ideas he puts out, I don't want to discuss them in this thread.
He presents no historical evidence for the claim that non-religious societies collapse or implode. There are tons of non religious countries that are doing extremely well economically and socially (Finland, Norway, Japan, Denmark New Zealand, Australia etc etc) and there are tons of religious countries that are in a world of trouble (Venzuela, Honduras, Guatemala, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran etc etc).
He makes no arguments for the necessity of a belief in God to maintain moral values in society.
Finally, me makes no arguments for Christianity itself. There are a million different religions, most of them with mutually exclusive beliefs.
His entire argument seems to sense from the fact that given the overwhelming negative nature of our society(which is false by the way, human society is farmore peaceful than it has ever been source: https://ourworldindata.org/war-and-peace), we need a positive guiding light to overcome it, to which I can only reply with this quote from George Bernard Shaw "The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one."

I respect your opinion and glad you stated it respectfully. I don't think he was labeling the left as per se a political label more like an identity as almost all leftists to some degree agree with the same points no matter the country. We just fool ourselves to believe that they are different

PS quoting a eugenicist like Shaw meh

 

[Post Ironic]

The meaning of psychology for modern man, Carl Jung

Jung

Fuck Freud.

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I respect your opinion and glad you stated it respectfully. I don't think he was labeling the left as per se a political label more like an identity as almost all leftists to some degree agree with the same points no matter the country. We just fool ourselves to believe that they are different

PS quoting a eugenicist like Shaw meh

Shaw being a eugenicist has absolutely nothing to do with the validity of that quote.

 

[campionesidd]

I respect your opinion and glad you stated it respectfully. I don't think he was labeling the left as per se a political label more like an identity as almost all leftists to some degree agree with the same points no matter the country. We just fool ourselves to believe that they are different

PS quoting a eugenicist like Shaw meh

I respect your belief too, people should always be free to live their life as they wish, as long as it doesn't affect other people negatively. I just really hate political labels. It creates an us vs them mentality and makes it impossible to tackle problems as a society.

 

[Post Ironic]

I like this quote. Where is it from?

The video did have a very valid point about a gap in morals and purpose in an increasingly non-religious world but it loses me as neither of those things require a literal belief in fake deity.

C'mon bro. While morality has grown more complicated perhaps... deism has been the bastian of immorality masquerading as morality for millennia now. The number of atrocities committed that were backed by organized religion to be moral is countless.

 

[X Æ A-12]

I respect your opinion and glad you stated it respectfully. I don't think he was labeling the left as per se a political label more like an identity as almost all leftists to some degree agree with the same points no matter the country. We just fool ourselves to believe that they are different

PS quoting a eugenicist like Shaw meh

I think the disconnect here between yourself and many of those on this forum is a fundamentally different understanding of basic existence formed from possibly from early existence maybe not idk. I think you believe those who do not share your opinion are simply ignorant, have never listened to or been around religious folk or ceremony and are just an awakening away from it. I see it as the opposite. I believe you are the one who is ignorant/ unwilling to understand why someone might not believe in a deity as you see it.

I am not talking about Christianity but the idea that a mass religion centered around supreme being providing purpose and ultimate moral judgement. I think you fail to appreciate/ recognize how foreign a concept that is and fundamentally queer to many young folks who were not raised within faith (or were and didnt take to). Before you interject I think that you even felt confident posting this video here shows how far you are from understanding the same souls you think it is preaching to.

And while I do believe you post something like this in good faith you have been a member of this forum for eight years. What sort of response have you gotten in the past to posting something like this? At some point you can no longer make the excuse of innocent/ignorant and are just being arrogant and disrespectful to the same folks you like to claim are being harsh on you.

Oh and posting Catholic propaganda and thinking you are morally above someone who believed in Eugencis

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C'mon bro. While morality has grown more complicated perhaps... deism has been the bastian of immorality masquerading as morality for millennia now. The number of atrocities committed that were backed by organized religion to be moral is countless.

c'mon bro. I'm not defending deities at all. I chose the word "gap" intentionally. I do believe that societies benefit from structure, shared beliefs and the "gap" post mass religious conviction can make for uncertain times when there is said "gap" but it belief in a literal bearded man in the sky is not at all necessary.

 

[Post Ironic]

c'mon bro. I'm not defending deities at all. I chose the word "gap" intentionally. I do believe that societies benefit from structure, shared beliefs and the "gap" post mass religious conviction can make for uncertain times when there is said "gap" but it belief in a literal bearded man in the sky is not at all necessary.

I agree with that.

 

[campionesidd]

C'mon bro. While morality has grown more complicated perhaps... deism has been the bastian of immorality masquerading as morality for millennia now. The number of atrocities committed that were backed by organized religion to be moral is countless.

What are your views on the concept of free will?

 

[X Æ A-12]

What are your views on the concept of free will?

Crucial but in actuality very rare we are a social species.

 

[campionesidd]

Crucial but in actuality very rare we are a social species.

My extremely simplistic view on this is that all our choices and decisions are constrained by many external factors.
For example, you can't choose to believe in something, or choose to like or dislike someone, but this is the fundamental requirement of most if not all religions: the unconditional belief, worship and love of a diety or deities.