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Bianconero_Aus

Beppe Marotta Is My God
May 26, 2009
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Non-Muslims are not forced to choose Islam but that has nothing to do with secular government.

and sorry my friend but your inrepretation trick don't work, it is clear as it gets: Whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are the disbelievers

again from Quran 5:3

This day I have perfected for you your religion and completed My favor upon you and have approved for you Islam as religion.

If you were a non-muslim that would be understandable as you don't believe in Islam therefore you prefer man made law but you do not make sense while claim to be Muslim and defy the Islamic rule. Trust me that interpretation card is no excuse for not applying Sharia and will not work for anyone when they are questioned in judgement day about why they did not follow what is revealed to them by Allah.

Unpracticed religion is dead religion. Those who want to install secular governments in Muslim lands are not doing it because they wish best for us. You're so concerned about what will happen to non-Muslims under Muslim rule. Well, you can read history and see what happened or what did not happen. Did you ever ask about what will happen to millions of Muslims who are living under un-Islamic rule?No need to look far for what happened and what is happening right now. All of the mess in the region is work of precious secular governments.
Yep. They live in relative peace and security, with human rights, free to practice their religion, own a house, own their own business, vote etc. How oppressed are they :rolleyes:
 

Zé Tahir

JhoolayLaaaal!
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Dec 10, 2004
29,281
Non-Muslims are not forced to choose Islam but that has nothing to do with secular government.

and sorry my friend but your inrepretation trick don't work, it is clear as it gets: Whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are the disbelievers

again from Quran 5:3

This day I have perfected for you your religion and completed My favor upon you and have approved for you Islam as religion.

If you were a non-muslim that would be understandable as you don't believe in Islam therefore you prefer man made law but you do not make sense while claim to be Muslim and defy the Islamic rule. Trust me that interpretation card is no excuse for not applying Sharia and will not work for anyone when they are questioned in judgement day about why they did not follow what is revealed to them by Allah.

Unpracticed religion is dead religion. Those who want to install secular governments in Muslim lands are not doing it because they wish best for us. You're so concerned about what will happen to non-Muslims under Muslim rule. Well, you can read history and see what happened or what did not happen. Did you ever ask about what will happen to millions of Muslims who are living under un-Islamic rule? No need to look far for what happened and what is happening right now. All of the mess in the region is work of precious secular governments.
What interpretation trick? Do you live under a box? Afghanistan was ruled by Shariat under the Taliban, Iran is ruled by Sharia, Saudi Arabia is ruled by Sharia, FATA in Pakistan is ruled by Sharia, parts of Somalia is ruled by Sharia, ISIS rules with Sharia. Each is different but they all have offer no freedom of religion, no freedom of worship, no freedom of speech, no freedom of press, no freedom of education, and the list goes on. If opportunity was given many would move from under their rule. Great advertisement for Sharia rule bro :tup: You wouldn't catch me dead living in any of these places because just like you their interpretation of the Qur'an and Sunna is whack and an insult to Islam and teachings of the Holy Prophet (pbuh).

You still can't provide any sura that states that we as a collective have to be ruled by Sharia.
 

Zé Tahir

JhoolayLaaaal!
Moderator
Dec 10, 2004
29,281
I'm still waiting for Turk's explanation on how bad Muslims have it in the West.
He'll say something like the West doesn't do anything if it doesn't think it'll get something out of it. Of course he's sitting there using electricity invented by someone from the West, uses the internet, drives a car, flies in an airplane...all things invented in the West.
 

Bianconero_Aus

Beppe Marotta Is My God
May 26, 2009
81,076
He'll say something like the West doesn't do anything if it doesn't think it'll get something out of it. Of course he's sitting there using electricity invented by someone from the West, uses the internet, drives a car, flies in an airplane...all things invented in the West.
:lol: yes I have seen him use that one before plenty of times.
 

GordoDeCentral

Diez
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Apr 14, 2005
70,825
What interpretation trick? Do you live under a box? Afghanistan was ruled by Shariat under the Taliban, Iran is ruled by Sharia, Saudi Arabia is ruled by Sharia, FATA in Pakistan is ruled by Sharia, parts of Somalia is ruled by Sharia, ISIS rules with Sharia. Each is different but they all have offer no freedom of religion, no freedom of worship, no freedom of speech, no freedom of press, no freedom of education, and the list goes on. If opportunity was given many would move from under their rule. Great advertisement for Sharia rule bro :tup: You wouldn't catch me dead living in any of these places because just like you their interpretation of the Qur'an and Sunna is whack and an insult to Islam and teachings of the Holy Prophet (pbuh).

You still can't provide any sura that states that we as a collective have to be ruled by Sharia.

it's a little long but i think you will enjoy it

 

Zé Tahir

JhoolayLaaaal!
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Dec 10, 2004
29,281
it's a little long but i think you will enjoy it

Translation was hard to follow...did he say that there are two types of Islamic governance; one that is governed by a religious person (a sheik or imam, etc.) and the other is a divine person (I guess he's referring to a Khalifa)? And did he say that even during the time of the Holy Prophet (pbuh) people weren't ruled by Sharia?

I'm digging his other vid btw.

 
Jul 2, 2006
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Yep. They live in relative peace and security, with human rights, free to practice their religion, own a house, own their own business, vote etc. How oppressed are they :rolleyes:
I meant Un-Islamic regimes in countries with Muslim majority. Egypt, Iraq, Syria list goes on. Even Saudi Arabia have illegitimate leadership. How can you call them Islamic when they care about future of their dynasty above everything?

As for Muslims who are living in Europe; They do tolerate Muslims because they have no say in government. Wait until they become a 'threat' for them. What Serbs did to their Bosnian neighbours was a trailer for the full length movie.

i don't like the way you think. tbh
Why? :broken:

You still can't provide any sura that states that we as a collective have to be ruled by Sharia.
I give a you a clear verse, i have tried to explain it with our only guide is Prophet(pbuh) but you just don't want to understand. There is no point of further talk as it is obviously futile. We'll see which one of us is right when the day comes.
 

Raz

Senior Member
Nov 20, 2005
12,218
When the day comes!? :lol: what day exactly is that? next friday?

As for the the government ruled by islamic law that is not implemented perfectly in those states like Ze told well guess what, all of the west doesn't have a perfectly working "democracy" too, just as the ones Ze told. If we would implement those things perfectly we would have utopias, and that's kind of not possible, so we can only judge by what we have now and used to and turk your solution isn't very appealing.
 

Raz

Senior Member
Nov 20, 2005
12,218
Well when you wanna communicate seriously I would suggest avoiding such topics as judgment day or four horseman unless the topic is J.J.R.Tolkien
 

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