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Quetzalcoatl

It ain't hard to tell
Aug 22, 2007
58,904
"The authors note that "trans women are women, trans men are men and non-binary identities are valid.""

What about the XY and XX chromosomes pairs, aka biological facts?
It seems they're not so "cool" anymore.
If they are definitions based not on biology, but on identity, what then do the words 'man' and 'woman' mean?
 

kappa96

Senior Member
Jun 20, 2018
2,409
If they are definitions based not on biology, but on identity, what then do the words 'man' and 'woman' mean?
Then what stops you to consider yourself a train and ask to not pay taxes like other humans?
If you have an XY pair why do you expect me to treat you as a female?
I'm going to treat you as a male regarding of how you identify (wardrobe, deer, kangoroo), because when you punch me in the face, I am going to feel the force of a male, not a female.
If it's you right to identify as you like, then it's my right to call you as I like and in my case based on biological facts.
 

Quetzalcoatl

It ain't hard to tell
Aug 22, 2007
58,904
Then what stops you to consider yourself a train and ask to not pay taxes like other humans?
If you have an XY pair why do you expect me to treat you as a female?
I'm going to treat you as a male regarding of how you identify (wardrobe, deer, kangoroo), because when you punch me in the face, I am going to feel the force of a male, not a female.
If it's you right to identify as you like, then it's my right to call you as I like.
I just want to know what their definition of a man/woman is. "I am as a woman because that's how I identify myself." Well, what about your identity makes you a woman? Your like of wearing skirts, high heels and make up? That's the definition of a woman?
 

ALC

Ohaulick
Oct 28, 2010
42,574
I just want to know what their definition of a man/woman is. "I am as a woman because that's how I identify myself." Well, what about your identity makes you a woman? Your like of wearing skirts, high heels and make up? That's the definition of a woman?
are woman and female synonyms?
 

Quetzalcoatl

It ain't hard to tell
Aug 22, 2007
58,904
good article. I hate all the people she quoted. Why make it so difficult to define woman?

you’re a woman if you’re born a woman. You’re a trans if you’re born a man and turn into a woman
Yeah. I'm still interested in hearing what the "inclusive" definitions are. It's really hard to come across clear answers>

Here's the clearest one I found:

In order to generate a definition of “woman” that is guided by the interests of feminist analysis and avoids the commonality and normativity problems, Haslanger creates an account of “woman” in which being a woman involves being a member of a social class in which one is systematically subordinated on the basis of (presumed) biological sex:
S is a woman iff
(i) S is regularly and for the most part observed or imagined to have certain bodily features presumed to be evidence of a female’s biological role in reproduction;
(ii) that S has these features marks S within the dominant ideology of S’s society as someone who ought to occupy certain kinds of social position that are in fact
subordinate (and so motivates and justifies S’s occupying such a position); and
(iii) the fact that S satisfies (i) and (ii) plays a role in S’s systematic subordination, that is, along some dimension, S’s social position is oppressive, and S’s satisfying (i)
and (ii) plays a role in that dimension of subordination.


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king Ale

Senior Member
Oct 28, 2004
21,582
Then what stops you to consider yourself a train and ask to not pay taxes like other humans?
If you have an XY pair why do you expect me to treat you as a female?
I'm going to treat you as a male regarding of how you identify (wardrobe, deer, kangoroo), because when you punch me in the face, I am going to feel the force of a male, not a female.
If it's you right to identify as you like, then it's my right to call you as I like and in my case based on biological facts.
How are you treating females? Is it the pronouns used? Because you can definitely punch anyone like you are punching a male.
 

X Æ A-12

Senior Member
Contributor
Sep 4, 2006
72,508
Yeah. I'm still interested in hearing what the "inclusive" definitions are. It's really hard to come across clear answers>

Here's the clearest one I found:

In order to generate a definition of “woman” that is guided by the interests of feminist analysis and avoids the commonality and normativity problems, Haslanger creates an account of “woman” in which being a woman involves being a member of a social class in which one is systematically subordinated on the basis of (presumed) biological sex:
S is a woman iff
(i) S is regularly and for the most part observed or imagined to have certain bodily features presumed to be evidence of a female’s biological role in reproduction;
(ii) that S has these features marks S within the dominant ideology of S’s society as someone who ought to occupy certain kinds of social position that are in fact
subordinate (and so motivates and justifies S’s occupying such a position); and
(iii) the fact that S satisfies (i) and (ii) plays a role in S’s systematic subordination, that is, along some dimension, S’s social position is oppressive, and S’s satisfying (i)
and (ii) plays a role in that dimension of subordination.


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These people have about as much to contribute to academia as creationists.
 

GordoDeCentral

Diez
Moderator
Apr 14, 2005
61,303
Yeah. I'm still interested in hearing what the "inclusive" definitions are. It's really hard to come across clear answers>

Here's the clearest one I found:

In order to generate a definition of “woman” that is guided by the interests of feminist analysis and avoids the commonality and normativity problems, Haslanger creates an account of “woman” in which being a woman involves being a member of a social class in which one is systematically subordinated on the basis of (presumed) biological sex:
S is a woman iff
(i) S is regularly and for the most part observed or imagined to have certain bodily features presumed to be evidence of a female’s biological role in reproduction;
(ii) that S has these features marks S within the dominant ideology of S’s society as someone who ought to occupy certain kinds of social position that are in fact
subordinate (and so motivates and justifies S’s occupying such a position); and
(iii) the fact that S satisfies (i) and (ii) plays a role in S’s systematic subordination, that is, along some dimension, S’s social position is oppressive, and S’s satisfying (i)
and (ii) plays a role in that dimension of subordination.


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Postmodernist language manipulation drivel, and of course 0 facts.
 

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