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Democracy at work
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It might not be in the best interests of Catalans anyway, not now at least.
- EU membership would surely be revoked, at least for some years. Loss of free trade and high tariffs being imposed.
- Multinational businesses may up and move to Valencia or Zaragoza.
- The Catalans that want to take their skills elsewhere would still be able to anywhere in Spain, as the Spanish state would still recognise them as Spanish citizens.
- Financially it could be crippling for the citizens with taxation and loss of pensions. This would almost certainly stretch to regional banks.
- Already high unemployed (especially youth unemployment, in all of Spain) would be stretched further.
Even Artur Mas recognises that Catalunya would be worse off, but patriotism holds a lot of sway.
Obviously some of these points will also affect Spain in one way or another, it would be immediately damaging for both with questionable consequences. That's one thing. If we totally ignore that and just focus on a Braveheart school of thought then there is the following issue: It should be put to a legal referendum, but honestly it's not in the immediate interests of the Catalan government because firstly they'd have to debate and plan these and a multitude of other points. Then they'd have to actually get numbers on board to support independence. The 2014 consultation had a turnout of 37% with 80% pro-independence. That's just under 30% of the electorate, not good enough. Even with all this fervour and heavy handed approach from the Spanish forces the turnout for the recent vote was 42% with 90% pro-independence, which is just under 38% of the electorate. Look at the Scottish referendum, that had an 84.6% turnout, that is legitimacy. You'd believe Catalans were falling over themselves to leave as soon as possible, but that's not the case because not everyone votes based on emotion.
Basically the Catalan government:
- EU membership would surely be revoked, at least for some years. Loss of free trade and high tariffs being imposed.
- Multinational businesses may up and move to Valencia or Zaragoza.
- The Catalans that want to take their skills elsewhere would still be able to anywhere in Spain, as the Spanish state would still recognise them as Spanish citizens.
- Financially it could be crippling for the citizens with taxation and loss of pensions. This would almost certainly stretch to regional banks.
- Already high unemployed (especially youth unemployment, in all of Spain) would be stretched further.
Even Artur Mas recognises that Catalunya would be worse off, but patriotism holds a lot of sway.
Obviously some of these points will also affect Spain in one way or another, it would be immediately damaging for both with questionable consequences. That's one thing. If we totally ignore that and just focus on a Braveheart school of thought then there is the following issue: It should be put to a legal referendum, but honestly it's not in the immediate interests of the Catalan government because firstly they'd have to debate and plan these and a multitude of other points. Then they'd have to actually get numbers on board to support independence. The 2014 consultation had a turnout of 37% with 80% pro-independence. That's just under 30% of the electorate, not good enough. Even with all this fervour and heavy handed approach from the Spanish forces the turnout for the recent vote was 42% with 90% pro-independence, which is just under 38% of the electorate. Look at the Scottish referendum, that had an 84.6% turnout, that is legitimacy. You'd believe Catalans were falling over themselves to leave as soon as possible, but that's not the case because not everyone votes based on emotion.
Basically the Catalan government:
@Ocelot and @Maddy, you’ll like this:
https://www.economist.com/news/book...nequality-according-historical-survey-lessons
https://www.economist.com/news/book...nequality-according-historical-survey-lessons
Yeah, interesting idea, think Piketty himself mentioned it somewhere. Still wouldn't put it as mono-causal and pessimistic as he does, and despite them being only groundbreakingly successful in wartime, without labor movements & co. social rights & more equality still wouldn't have transpired the way they did after 1918 & 1945.
Plus as it says in the end, you can't really solely look at historical events to project the future, especially with society changing as rapidly as it does right now.
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Says it literally in the second sentence
"Only catastrophe truly reduces inequality, according to a historical survey"
Plus as it says in the end, you can't really solely look at historical events to project the future, especially with society changing as rapidly as it does right now.
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Says it literally in the second sentence
"Only catastrophe truly reduces inequality, according to a historical survey"
Is that an illegal knife in britian?
The law here gets mixed on things like this. It is not illegal to carry most sorts of knives but it is to carry one in self defense. So if policeman finds it and ask why you have it on your person, you can go to jail for that. Same with a number of objects actually including baseball bats, golf clubs etc.
The law here gets mixed on things like this. It is not illegal to carry most sorts of knives but it is to carry one in self defense. So if policeman finds it and ask why you have it on your person, you can go to jail for that. Same with a number of objects actually including baseball bats, golf clubs etc.
Illegal to carry regardless of your motive which is funny considering the mechanism in question serves the purpose of keeping the holder safe and preventing the blade from randomly folding and cutting your hand. They've outlawed the single most widespread EDC knife contruction in the world.
https://www.gov.uk/buying-carrying-knives
But then, the punishment is not even a slap on the wrist. It's fucking jail time
https://www.gov.uk/buying-carrying-knives
But then, the punishment is not even a slap on the wrist. It's fucking jail time
