Geert Wilders (14 Viewers)
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So a place you have never been to might be "home" to you?
It was illustrated perfectly when Tony Soprano went to Italy. They call themselves Italian and will say Italy is their home, but when they actually go there all they can say is "fuck, THIS is Italy?". And they notice that they're not adapted to the country at all.
The same could happen to you guys. You'll see. It's not home.
It was illustrated perfectly when Tony Soprano went to Italy. They call themselves Italian and will say Italy is their home, but when they actually go there all they can say is "fuck, THIS is Italy?". And they notice that they're not adapted to the country at all.
The same could happen to you guys. You'll see. It's not home.
Its what I relate to. I lived in a multicultural society and hung out with other Emiratis as well. But I was never Arab, and I never would be one even if I didn't return to India. Thats how it is. Its the same with almost all my friends there.
And just for facts, I could have stayed, studied and worked there. But I chose to come back to India. Best decision I ever made. Also I got to see Dubai in a completely different light, one which isn't pretty at all.
And just for facts, I could have stayed, studied and worked there. But I chose to come back to India. Best decision I ever made. Also I got to see Dubai in a completely different light, one which isn't pretty at all.
The Tony Soprano case is a good example.
Or even if you leave a place and come back years later. There's this fallacy that a land or a people or a home are in stasis, frozen in time for you to pop out of the cryogenic lab anytime you want to go back.
But you know what? It always changes, with or without you. The one thing you can always count on is the change. You're kidding yourself if you think the place you left, or have yet ever to see, isn't changing without you -- changing away from what you identify as home.
One of the great ironies in the Cape Town paper this morning was a story about world immigration. South Africa had about 220,000 last year, the most in the world, with the U.S. second at 42,000. At least the "legal" kind, I suppose where those numbers came from. Israel, it reported, is facing immigration issues like any other country on earth. Africans are bypassing the mess in Egypt and heading straight for Israel in search of jobs, income, a more stable family life -- changing Israel's cultural landscape.
It just supports this notion that a "true" race or culture is just a momentary fallacy. We are all changing, and there's nothing any nation can do to stop it. Only to slow it down.
Oddly, I kind of experienced that myself. I've been in a lot of places around the world, and when I was in India for the first time, even this white boy was struck by something strange there. I felt like it was completely foreign, like another planet, but at the same time I identified with the people and the thinking and the life there intimately. For some bizarre reason, it resonated with me like no place else on earth other than my home country. It made me half-jokingly believe that I must have been a Desi in a previous life.
I don't quite know how to explain that. It's like I felt as if I were on another planet but yet closer to my more primitive, essential self at the same time. It's pretty f'ed up.
Or even if you leave a place and come back years later. There's this fallacy that a land or a people or a home are in stasis, frozen in time for you to pop out of the cryogenic lab anytime you want to go back.
But you know what? It always changes, with or without you. The one thing you can always count on is the change. You're kidding yourself if you think the place you left, or have yet ever to see, isn't changing without you -- changing away from what you identify as home.
One of the great ironies in the Cape Town paper this morning was a story about world immigration. South Africa had about 220,000 last year, the most in the world, with the U.S. second at 42,000. At least the "legal" kind, I suppose where those numbers came from. Israel, it reported, is facing immigration issues like any other country on earth. Africans are bypassing the mess in Egypt and heading straight for Israel in search of jobs, income, a more stable family life -- changing Israel's cultural landscape.
It just supports this notion that a "true" race or culture is just a momentary fallacy. We are all changing, and there's nothing any nation can do to stop it. Only to slow it down.
Oddly, I kind of experienced that myself. I've been in a lot of places around the world, and when I was in India for the first time, even this white boy was struck by something strange there. I felt like it was completely foreign, like another planet, but at the same time I identified with the people and the thinking and the life there intimately. For some bizarre reason, it resonated with me like no place else on earth other than my home country. It made me half-jokingly believe that I must have been a Desi in a previous life.
I don't quite know how to explain that. It's like I felt as if I were on another planet but yet closer to my more primitive, essential self at the same time. It's pretty f'ed up.
That is the Arab mentality. But it's also rich in a way if you think about it, it's not that they don't want to intertwine with anyone but it also keeps their civilization rich. But it also increases nationalism. Only a small amount of Arab countries allow the "Oh, you have our citizenship ? Then be proud, you're an Arab now" or to a degree like that, even though there not "technically" Arab. It's kind of like the Armenians in Syria, Lebanon, Palestine and Israel.
On another note, to people who claim the "true race or culture is just a momentary fallacy", it's not that there bragging about their "true race" (although some are) but it's because they don't want to forget where their from and who they were, and perhaps, just maybe, continue living that culture with a wife or husband who shares the same trait. Geez, if people want to forget their past, that's fine, but to brag people about where their from and where their really from is just, to an extent, quite wrong as it's different in the West and East.
I know exactly how Iceman, Fred and ReBel feel and I am on the same boat.
On another note, to people who claim the "true race or culture is just a momentary fallacy", it's not that there bragging about their "true race" (although some are) but it's because they don't want to forget where their from and who they were, and perhaps, just maybe, continue living that culture with a wife or husband who shares the same trait. Geez, if people want to forget their past, that's fine, but to brag people about where their from and where their really from is just, to an extent, quite wrong as it's different in the West and East.
I know exactly how Iceman, Fred and ReBel feel and I am on the same boat.
That's what I'm against as well but you and Seven are bashing the neutrality as well. Neutrality, as in "You're part here, part here and part here, depending on where you've lived in your life." So there's actually 2 subjects here. One is the country you're living in doesn't give you the nationality to be from "there", and Two, the individual which states his country of origin is his truest and not the countries he's lived in before. I've pretty much encountered both of them, thanks to living in the UAE, and being part of a diaspora after 1915.