Geert Wilders (5 Viewers)

[X Æ A-12]

Who the fuck are they to remove him?

Mass-raping of both men and women used to happen in Saddam's time. Torture of prisoners.

What did Bush say when they invaded Iraq? "People of Iraq will no longer be tortured".

What is happening in Iraqi jails? Exactly what happend during Saddam's time.

Woh woh don't go judging others based on what Bush says.

Trial for crimes against humanity, much like they did to Milosevic.

So if we'd only tried a few years earlier he would just surrender to coalition forces and his country would peacefully switch to a democracy? Oh if only we'd thought of that sooner

Those were his sons

Oh so it's just boys being boys.

 

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[IrishZebra]

Dear Christ the United States established and supported the Ba'athists regime in Iraq, they removed a tyrant they put in power and funded.

U.S. helicopters sold to Iraq gased the Kurds.

The colonial powers fucked it at the start, then commies, then nationalists, then the coalition.

'Iraq' has always and will always be a gigantic clusterfuck.

 

[Fred]

Dear Christ the United States established and supported the Ba'athists regime in Iraq, they removed a tyrant they put in power and funded.

U.S. helicopters sold to Iraq gased the Kurds.

The colonial powers fucked it at the start, then commies, then nationalists, then the coalition.

'Iraq' has always and will always be a gigantic clusterfuck.

Your post about the arbitrary drawing of borders by colonial powers, i think that was intentional. For that, among other reasons, having a peaceful Middle East is near impossible.

 

[Trequartista]

So if we'd only tried a few years earlier he would just surrender to coalition forces and his country would peacefully switch to a democracy? Oh if only we'd thought of that sooner

The USA could have captured him rather easily at that time.
They did half the job.

And no the country would not have simply peacefully switched to a democracy but it would have been better than another decade of oppression.

 

[Trequartista]

Your post about the arbitrary drawing of borders by colonial powers, i think that was intentional. For that, among other reasons, having a peaceful Middle East is near impossible.

I agree.

 

[IrishZebra]

And thus is the futility of trying to better the world revealed.

 

[Fred]

Where have you been all this time IZ. Wherever it is/was, it certainly has made you a lot smarter

 

[X Æ A-12]

The USA could have captured him rather easily at that time.
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They were saying that same crap when we invaded last time.

And no the country would not have simply peacefully switched to a democracy but it would have been better than another decade of oppression.

There's no way to know that yet. The US is just pulling out now so we don't really know what's going to happen when Iraq is left to itself for a decade.

 

[Trequartista]

They were saying that same crap when we invaded last time.

There's no way to know that yet. The US is just pulling out now so we don't really know what's going to happen when Iraq is left to itself for a decade.

Hopefully it will go well but I fear that they are leaving Iraq too soon.

 

[X Æ A-12]

I don't agree. Staying longer isn't going to solve anything and in the end we have to leave at some point.

Might as well be now for our own sake.

 

[Fred]

Hopefully it will go well but I fear that they are leaving Iraq too soon.

Ya now it will be Iraqi's that torture prisoners instead of the Americans.

 

[Fred]

I don't agree. Staying longer isn't going to solve anything and in the end we have to leave at some point.

Might as well be now for our own sake.

Ya, your government has caused enough of a mess for there to be sectarian clashes for a decade.

 

[Bjerknes]

I love it how the US is always brought up whenever certain folks become upset. It's like the only ground they have to stand upon, and is indeed a straw man argument.

Here's how it works -- criticize a certain facet of religious intolerance >>> read that said religion isn't like that and your own "intolerance" shouldn't be tolerated >>> respond by saying it is valid criticism >>> "but but but Bush blew up da Iraq who cares about anything else forza Muhammed fuck da infidels"

 

[X Æ A-12]

Ya now it will be Iraqi's that torture prisoners instead of the Americans.

Ya know actually if any American agents are staying behind in Iraq it's probably to eh... yea.

 

[X Æ A-12]

Ya, your government has caused enough of a mess for there to be sectarian clashes for a decade.

Maybe it's our fault the country isn't stable but it seems to me like people in the Middle East have no trouble finding dumb reasons to fight tribal wars and kill each other without our help.

It's not our fault that people over there are willing to murder innocents over religion.

 

[Fred]

Has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with us. Saddam and Bashar are secularists who care very little about religion, and they are the two biggest criminals in the Arab world.

There are a lot of tribal, racial, and religious tensions in the middle east. The west has made sure it does well to fuel them even more.

 

[X Æ A-12]

So it's West's fault too that these people can't occupy the same space without killing each other? That's ridiculous.

they need to be separated, like you do with squabbling children.

 

[Fred]

I didn't say that. I said the West does well to fuel already existing tensions.

 

[IrishZebra]

Where have you been all this time IZ. Wherever it is/was, it certainly has made you a lot smarter

I was always this smart I just learned recently to formulate fully before espousing and having to explain at length

So it's West's fault too that these people can't occupy the same space without killing each other? That's ridiculous.

they need to be separated, like you do with squabbling children.

Well the west drew the borders without considering or even listening to concern over ethnic and tribal tensions so I mean in reality we have to collectively take a lot of responsibility, the US not at all with that, but with propping up dictatorships.

 

[Trequartista]

I didn't say that. I said the West does well to fuel already existing tensions.

I agree with that.

For example, removing the democratically elected Mohammad Mosaddegh from office in Iran proved to be a very costly mistake, especially for the Iranian people.