Gay marriage (again) (15 Viewers)

[Klin]

This thread got nothing on the Gay Adoption one.

 

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[Zlatan]

This thread got nothing on the Gay Adoption one.

Should be allowed

 

[Klin]

I don't have the same energy as I had before in this forum, so whatever floats your boat mister.

 

[WΏΏdy?]

Same here, can't be bothered to jump into this debate LGBT adoption, marrige, rape, fantasies, murders, cronios etc etc fuck that all and fuck obama.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

I've heard a lot of arguments about gay marriage. Deneb's "argument from envy" has to be among the least convincing.

Dude, if you want the money you can get married right now, you have the choice. There are tax benefits calling out to you. Okay, you're limited to women, but that's still a lot of people. But you say "nah, I don't feel like it". Then you hear that two guys want to get married and you're against it.

"You shouldn't be able to because I don't want to."

arguments from envy? like if gays envy the straight so much why dont they just act straight and reap the benefits? check mate senor but really i am more into arguments based on reality as opposed to the poorly designed utopias spewed around here, it's really not hard to understand the money to 'finance' this has to come from somewhere and i dont want any part of it, and since you dont believe in making something out of nothing(zing!) you really should be on board with this.


P.S: please dont be one of those who deflect off the real issue with imaginary scenarios, we are not going back in time and changing what IS now.
And to counter your once again poorly designed argument,

 

[Nzoric]

but abel, why shouldnt gay couples be able to reap the benefits that the straights are enjoying?

 

[Martin]

arguments from envy? like if gays envy the straight so much why dont they just act straight and reap the benefits? check mate senor

Wow. I've never seen a weaker line from you

but really i am more into arguments based on reality as opposed to the poorly designed utopias spewed around here, it's really not hard to understand the money to 'finance' this has to come from somewhere and i dont want any part of it, and since you dont believe in making something out of nothing(zing!) you really should be on board with this.


P.S: please dont be one of those who deflect off the real issue with imaginary scenarios, we are not going back in time and changing what IS now.
And to counter your once again poorly designed argument,

Your problem is that you're living in the past. I should be on board with your argument? Gays were already getting married in this country before I came to live here. Yet I still thought it'd be a good place to live. So the only difference between you and me is that what you call "utopia" I call reality. Because it is.

 

[Zlatan]

arguments from envy? like if gays envy the straight so much why dont they just act straight and reap the benefits? check mate senor but really i am more into arguments based on reality as opposed to the poorly designed utopias spewed around here, it's really not hard to understand the money to 'finance' this has to come from somewhere and i dont want any part of it, and since you dont believe in making something out of nothing(zing!) you really should be on board with this.


P.S: please dont be one of those who deflect off the real issue with imaginary scenarios, we are not going back in time and changing what IS now.
And to counter your once again poorly designed argument,

If benefits is your only issue, then you should be advocating against the benefits themselves, not that gay couples might get them.

 

[Azzurri7]

This thread got nothing on the Gay Adoption one.

That thread was a total headache. (Not in a bad way though)

 

[Klin]

That thread was a total headache. (Not in a bad way though)

I know.

Jack.

 

[king Ale]

listen i want to marry my cat and slash my tax bill in half, if you dont approve to finance my tax saving i mean my choice then you;re an ignorant bigot.

Because the number of people who have sexual preference towards their cats and would want to marry them is equal to that of gays? You might as well say that you find gays as anomalous as those who are sexually attracted to their cats.

you;re not making sense here, it is because of the very essence of taxes affecting everybody we are talking. the only reason homosexuals want to call it marriage and legitimize it is to take advantage of these 'benefits'. No one is stopping any 2 guys from getting together and doing whatever the hell they want, but i am against financing their 'choice', so if people speak in a democratic way to that effect that should be accepted.

Strange. It reminded me of an Iranian parliament member who once had said Afghan immigrants can marry Iranians but it shouldn't make them eligible to be given equal rights to other couples'. Almost as bad.

i dont want to finance anything but i can see the benefits of having a 'normal' home and how encouraging it is beneficial for the economy and society as a whole. So if it were up to me i'd relate it to my personal experience and what i have seen, and reward parents as opposed to just couples.

Are you also against financing marriage of heterosexual couples who are sterile?

 

[Nzoric]

Strange. It reminded me of an Iranian parliament member who once had said Afghan immigrants can marry Iranians but it shouldn't make them eligible to be given equal rights to other couples'. Almost as bad.

burn.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Wow. I've never seen a weaker line from you



Your problem is that you're living in the past. I should be on board with your argument? Gays were already getting married in this country before I came to live here. Yet I still thought it'd be a good place to live. So the only difference between you and me is that what you call "utopia" I call reality. Because it is.

If benefits is your only issue, then you should be advocating against the benefits themselves, not that gay couples might get them.

Because the number of people who have sexual preference towards their cats and would want to marry them is equal to that of gays? You might as well say that you find gays as anomalous as those who are sexually attracted to their cats.



Strange. It reminded me of an Iranian parliament member who once had said Afghan immigrants can marry Iranians but it shouldn't make them eligible to be given equal rights to other couples'. Almost as bad.



Are you also against financing marriage of heterosexual couples who are sterile?

so? why is it so hard to comprehend? what is the basis of his point? economic? social? why is his point only taken in the context where it makes him seem like a xenophobe idiot? i dont get how everyone here just thinks because it sounds right then it should be done, the world doesnt work that way, too many idealist leftists around.

 

[Martin]

So we shouldn't do it because "the world doesn't work that way"? What does that even mean? A euphemism for legislation by tradition?

And yeah those damned idealist leftists are a real menace. Equality is contemptible.

 

[Nzoric]

so? why is it so hard to comprehend? what is the basis of his point? economic? social? why is his point only taken in the context where it makes him seem like a xenophobe idiot? i dont get how everyone here just thinks because it sounds right then it should be done, the world doesnt work that way, too many idealist leftists around.

so you're sitting there, accepted into the society where you live. if you marry an american woman you get full rights, you're straight and things are working for you - the next logical step for you is resignation in the face of the task of bringing the same rights you enjoy to those around you? well played man.

 

[Zlatan]

so? why is it so hard to comprehend? what is the basis of his point? economic? social? why is his point only taken in the context where it makes him seem like a xenophobe idiot? i dont get how everyone here just thinks because it sounds right then it should be done, the world doesnt work that way, too many idealist leftists around.

What kind of justified reason could there be? Could apartheid be justified by social reasons?

 

[GordoDeCentral]

So we shouldn't do it because "the world doesn't work that way"? What does that even mean? A euphemism for legislation by tradition?

And yeah those damned idealist leftists are a real menace. Equality is contemptible.

equality? sounds more like communism, as for your earlier utopia talk i dont remember what your stance was on burqa and other islam related matters in europe? still going for the same equality?

so you're sitting there, accepted into the society where you live. if you marry an american woman you get full rights, you're straight and things are working for you - the next logical step for you is resignation in the face of the task of bringing the same rights you enjoy to those around you? well played man.

what rights? non citizens never had the same rights as citizens, and that just is a fact everywhere.

What kind of justified reason could there be? Could apartheid be justified by social reasons?

but thats exactly my point why are we assuming his stance is xenophobic? immigrants cant have the same rights as citizens, if that was the case then why even have borders?

 

[Zlatan]

equality? sounds more like communism, as for your earlier utopia talk i dont remember what your stance was on burqa and other islam related matters in europe? still going for the same equality?



what rights? non citizens never had the same rights as citizens, and that just is a fact everywhere.




but thats exactly my point why are we assuming his stance is xenophobic? immigrants cant have the same rights as citizens, if that was the case then why even have borders?

There are certain rights which are universal, there are certain that are linked to citizenship and even those you can get after a while.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

There are certain rights which are universal, there are certain that are linked to citizenship and even those you can get after a while.

i agree, but not all, and the not all comes from the fact that resources are limited and need to be budgeted and regardless of how awesome sounding a proposition is, it needs to pass that test.

 

[Zlatan]

i agree, but not all, and the not all comes from the fact that resources are limited and need to be budgeted and regardless of how awesome sounding a proposition is, it needs to pass that test.

And this is connected to gay marriage how?