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[Hængebøffer]

Jaime agreed to that during a trial recess. There was no way Tywin would have been 100% sure that Jaime would have said what he did before hand. How could he possibly threaten Shae that quickly? I agree with Alc.

I disagree - it was definitely part of Tywins plan. He got rid of Joffrey and thought he had it all covered, when Jaime agreed.

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Oh, and what an ending!

 

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[ALC]

Btw, what about Bron? Can't he fight on Tyrion's behalf?

Yeah, but if Tyrion wants to win he's gonna pick Jamie. Tywin obviously wants to continue the family line and Jamie is the only one who can do that.

 

[Völler]

Yeah, but if Tyrion wants to win he's gonna pick Jamie. Tywin obviously wants to continue the family line and Jamie is the only one who can do that.

I love your new avatar.

 

[X Æ A-12]

I doubt that.

Who else then? Sir Bronn and poderick have both fled the capital already. This is perfectly set up for jamie, whos been training with bronn for like the last three episodes, to prove he can still fight.

Smart move by Tyrion. He will name Jaime as his champion. Then Tywin will have to pick some idiot. Because he can't risk his heir's life.

True.

Jaime agreed to that during a trial recess. There was no way Tywin would have been 100% sure that Jaime would have said what he did before hand. How could he possibly threaten Shae that quickly? I agree with Alc.

Im lost You think Tywin didnt know about jamies plot to get tyrion to plead for mercy to be sent to the knights watch? I think tywin was definitely involved, otherwise how could Jamie be so certain that tyrion would receive mercy and not just be put to death? Tywin has to be involved imo.

 

[radekas]

My guess is Cercei picks the Mountain and Oberyn volunteers to be Tyrion's champion just to finally have his revenge for his sister.

 

[Hængebøffer]

Who else then? Sir Bronn and poderick have both fled the capital already. This is perfectly set up for jamie, whos been training with bronn for like the last three episodes, to prove he can still fight.

True.

Im lost You think Tywin didnt know about jamies plot to get tyrion to plead for mercy to be sent to the knights watch? I think tywin was definitely involved, otherwise how could Jamie be so certain that tyrion would receive mercy and not just be put to death? Tywin has to be involved imo.

Definitely. Just take a look at what Davos said to the Iron Bank.

 

[radekas]

Let's see it once again. This must bring major awards for Dinklage.

 

[ALC]

Im lost You think Tywin didnt know about jamies plot to get tyrion to plead for mercy to be sent to the knights watch? I think tywin was definitely involved, otherwise how could Jamie be so certain that tyrion would receive mercy and not just be put to death? Tywin has to be involved imo.

That was Tywin's plot in the first place. Jamie goes to ask for help and says he'll keep the family line going if Tyrion doesn't die and Tywin says "done" instantly. He had hoped Jamie would ask for help from the very beginning, you can see how surprised Jamie looks when he realizes his father had that plan ready.

My guess is Cercei picks the Mountain and Oberyn volunteers to be Tyrion's champion just to finally have his revenge for his sister.

 

[X Æ A-12]

That was Tywin's plot in the first place. Jamie goes to ask for help and says he'll keep the family line going if Tyrion doesn't die and Tywin says "done" instantly. He had hoped Jamie would ask for help from the very beginning, you can see how surprised Jamie looks when he realizes his father had that plan ready.

exactly

 

[Zé Tahir]

What was with that conversation between Oberyn and Varys...that nod at the throne?

 

[ALC]

Varys saying he's interested in the throne.

 

[radekas]

that Varys thinks about the wellness of the throne clearly? I don't think he seriously hopes to get the throne.

 

[X Æ A-12]

Varys has no remote claim and no army how would he take the throne? he is probably worried for the very same reasons sir davos mentioned to the iron bank. instability within the lannisters.

 

[Lilith]

Im lost You think Tywin didnt know about jamies plot to get tyrion to plead for mercy to be sent to the knights watch? I think tywin was definitely involved, otherwise how could Jamie be so certain that tyrion would receive mercy and not just be put to death? Tywin has to be involved imo.

I was just saying that Jaime made the deal with Tywin during the court recess. We have zero evidence of him making this deal with Tywin before the trial began. Was that enough time to get Shae in the plan?

When I said I agree with Alc, I meant that in the end Shae did not love Tyrion. I don't think she did it to save him, I think she did it because she is a self-serving bitch. Hell hath no fury like a Shae scorned. Of course I could be completely wrong as I have not read the books. In the meantime break her teeth and throw to the wolves because my gut tells me she did not do it to help him. She never trusted the other Lannisters, why start now? If she did make a deal, it was to destroy him.

Edit: I was just discussing it with someone here. We think she planned it with Cersei. They both have motives. Cersei wants Tyrion dead because her pea sized brain thinks Tyrion and Sansa did it, and he threw Shae away once he married Sansa so she also hates him.

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Yeah, but if Tyrion wants to win he's gonna pick Jamie. Tywin obviously wants to continue the family line and Jamie is the only one who can do that.

That was just in response to who else besides Jaime could do it, but I think Kyle said Bronn left anyway. Agreed Jaime would be the smart choice. Two dead sons and one stupid remaining daughter is not a good option.

 

[Osman]

Dese hoes aint loyal

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So who's gonna fight the trial by combat?

I hope because Cersei chooses The Mountain (who is better in westeros? Hound is wanted man), that the twist will be not Jaime (awesome transition by him btw), since he has no chance, but that Oberyn will step up as Tyrion's champ to get his long awaited revenge.

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My guess is Cercei picks the Mountain and Oberyn volunteers to be Tyrion's champion just to finally have his revenge for his sister.

Thats what I shouted out while watching that ending, my siblings looked at me funny Because they read the books...But that would be awesome twist.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

the mountain is prolly not in kings landing, what about meryn?

 

[Osman]

What was with that conversation between Oberyn and Varys...that nod at the throne?

He has no sexual desires or urges, he indicated that left over inner drive is better suited to pursue more important things, I dont think he meant the throne litterally (he is master of the shadow influence), but that he's sole interest is in what the throne symbolizes, power. And for a mutilated slave from half across the world, he has done extremely well in his sole focus...

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the mountain is prolly not in kings landing, what about meryn?

Yeah that dumbass Meryn is more likely prolly, I remember Tywin saying The Mountain is somewhere far away in his estates/lands few episodes back.

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Let's see it once again. This must bring major awards for Dinklage.

 

[X Æ A-12]

I was just saying that Jaime made the deal with Tywin during the court recess. We have zero evidence of him making this deal with Tywin before the trial began. Was that enough time to get Shae in the plan?

When I said I agree with Alc, I meant that in the end Shae did not love Tyrion. I don't think she did it to save him, I think she did it because she is a self-serving bitch. Hell hath no fury like a Shae scorned. Of course I could be completely wrong as I have not read the books. In the meantime break her teeth and throw to the wolves because my gut tells me she did not do it to help him. She never trusted the other Lannisters, why start now? If she did make a deal, it was to destroy him.

Edit: I was just discussing it with someone here. We think she planned it with Cersei. They both have motives. Cersei wants Tyrion dead because her pea sized brain thinks Tyrion and Sansa did it, and he threw Shae away once he married Sansa so she also hates him.

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That was just in response to who else besides Jaime could do it, but I think Kyle said Bronn left anyway. Agreed Jaime would be the smart choice. Two dead sons and one stupid remaining daughter is not a good option.

im not saying shae is in on the conspiracy with the lannisters at all, im saying she is a pawn in it. They are forcing her to testify, either under threat of her own life or theyve told her that tyrion's only chance of survival is to be convicted and beg for mercy. And i still dont believe at all shae would betray tyrion like this, as he never left her but was forced into marriage and for probably the first time in his life resisted having sex with a woman, sansa, to remain loyal to shae.

if shae actually backstabbed him like that then she is the worst character in the show and i just dont see that in her. the writers have made her too sympathetic already to later portray her in that light.

 

[Osman]

IMO she looked like she was betraying him, especially how he reacted to her too, and not just someone who is betraying him to save his life in some twisted way. Speaking about twisting, she was twisting that blade deep into his heart with how often she mentionned whore and the details of the lies, defenitely acting like a woman scorned. A woman under duress wouldnt enjoy it as much as she seemed to have doing at getting back at him, she would simply have said the lies she been scripted to and that would be it, but she took it a step further as we clearly saw.

 

[X Æ A-12]

well if you are right then i hope the mountain cleaves her in two with his massive broadsword.