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The CL.
My point is, saying that his team is the 3rd richest or 4th richest in Italy doesn't mean that much. Sure Fiorentina has stagnated in the past few years and haven't really improved any more, but Prandelli has done a brilliant job in building a talented team that has been right up there in the top 4-5 clubs in Italy in the past few years. He has done that almost immediately after getting promoted.
My point is, saying that his team is the 3rd richest or 4th richest in Italy doesn't mean that much. Sure Fiorentina has stagnated in the past few years and haven't really improved any more, but Prandelli has done a brilliant job in building a talented team that has been right up there in the top 4-5 clubs in Italy in the past few years. He has done that almost immediately after getting promoted.
Come on, it's not exactly fulfilling minimum expectations. If TOP4 is Fiorentina's minimum expectations every season and Prandelli is achieving that, than what is the minimum for Juventus? Semi finals in CL and 85+ points in league? I'd be satisfied with that.
I'd surely welcome fresh EPL blood with some more speed and running, but Benitez has been a laughing stock of England for few years now, it would be a big risk, while I feel that with Prandelli and Blanc the risk would be smaller. Right now Liverpool ain't superior team to Bordeaux or Fiorentina, but the ways they've come to that level are not similar, the starting point and finances are two big differences. I choose overachieving not underachieving.
I'd surely welcome fresh EPL blood with some more speed and running, but Benitez has been a laughing stock of England for few years now, it would be a big risk, while I feel that with Prandelli and Blanc the risk would be smaller. Right now Liverpool ain't superior team to Bordeaux or Fiorentina, but the ways they've come to that level are not similar, the starting point and finances are two big differences. I choose overachieving not underachieving.
You call Benitez the laughing stoke of England for few years now, but apart from this year, when Prandelli is an even bigger laughing stoke in serie A (sharing the 10th-11th spot with Chievo), I don't see how can you say that. It was as early as last season when he was fighting for the title almost till the end. Winning the CL with that Liverpool equals winning serie A with this Fiorentina. Can you imagine Prandelli doing that?
Red asked a good question. What's the difference between Ranieri and Prandelli? How is Prandelli better than Ranieri in serie A?
Prandelli took over a team who came back from serie B a year ago. Money were invested, UEFA Cup spot was expected but he took them a step further and won the 4th place. Calciopoli didn't allow them to play in CL, more money were invested and in the weakest serie A of all time (season 2006/07, without Juve) he made the UEFA Cup (which would have been a top 4 finish). He kept the top 4 for 2 more years just to lose it all this season.
Good indeed, but how is it better than Ranieri?
Ranieri took over us right after serie B. All the pundits, all the Juve fans, opposing fans, expected the 6th or 7th place or at most the 4th place behind the clearly superior Inter, Milan and Roma. He ended up 3rd.
We didn't invest in 2008/09 so again you could hear Juve fans here expecting 7th place. But he was 2nd all season long, just to lose it to Milan by the end (Imo, considering how we played our B team Siena and a Lazio that didn't need any points, I think Ranieri would have won the 2nd place too, just like Ferrara did in the end).
Now he took over a struggling Roma and is keeping them at the top, beating every single expectation.
And earlier, in 2007, he took over a 19th placed Parma and finished 12th after only 15 rounds (in 15 rounds he won half more pts than his predecessor in 23 rounds).
So please tell me how is Prandelli better and more successful than Ranieri in serie A? What is it that makes you guys think that Prandelli will do better than Ranieri in this league? Neither the Juve of 2007 and 2008/09 and certainly not this Roma were clearly superior, or superior at all, than Prandelli's Fiorentina, and yet Ranieri has been doing better than Prandelli.
He's not better at all. If anything, he's just much less experienced than the old wolf (even though the age difference is a small one). If we get Prandelli then I don't understand why did we bother at all firing Ranieri.
Give me something new. Something this league hasn't seen. Something that's already proven successful elsewhere. Something that's already been proven to be a winning formula elsewhere.
I'll take Blanc over Prandelli without even thinking.
Such a shame Blanc is a frog, ex-Inter player and not an Italian. If he was an Italian ex-Juventino, even if his biggest success was gonna be the 4th place, he'd have been winning this poll by a mile.
Red asked a good question. What's the difference between Ranieri and Prandelli? How is Prandelli better than Ranieri in serie A?
Prandelli took over a team who came back from serie B a year ago. Money were invested, UEFA Cup spot was expected but he took them a step further and won the 4th place. Calciopoli didn't allow them to play in CL, more money were invested and in the weakest serie A of all time (season 2006/07, without Juve) he made the UEFA Cup (which would have been a top 4 finish). He kept the top 4 for 2 more years just to lose it all this season.
Good indeed, but how is it better than Ranieri?
Ranieri took over us right after serie B. All the pundits, all the Juve fans, opposing fans, expected the 6th or 7th place or at most the 4th place behind the clearly superior Inter, Milan and Roma. He ended up 3rd.
We didn't invest in 2008/09 so again you could hear Juve fans here expecting 7th place. But he was 2nd all season long, just to lose it to Milan by the end (Imo, considering how we played our B team Siena and a Lazio that didn't need any points, I think Ranieri would have won the 2nd place too, just like Ferrara did in the end).
Now he took over a struggling Roma and is keeping them at the top, beating every single expectation.
And earlier, in 2007, he took over a 19th placed Parma and finished 12th after only 15 rounds (in 15 rounds he won half more pts than his predecessor in 23 rounds).
So please tell me how is Prandelli better and more successful than Ranieri in serie A? What is it that makes you guys think that Prandelli will do better than Ranieri in this league? Neither the Juve of 2007 and 2008/09 and certainly not this Roma were clearly superior, or superior at all, than Prandelli's Fiorentina, and yet Ranieri has been doing better than Prandelli.
He's not better at all. If anything, he's just much less experienced than the old wolf (even though the age difference is a small one). If we get Prandelli then I don't understand why did we bother at all firing Ranieri.
Give me something new. Something this league hasn't seen. Something that's already proven successful elsewhere. Something that's already been proven to be a winning formula elsewhere.
I'll take Blanc over Prandelli without even thinking.
Such a shame Blanc is a frog, ex-Inter player and not an Italian. If he was an Italian ex-Juventino, even if his biggest success was gonna be the 4th place, he'd have been winning this poll by a mile.
Haven't followed him, but why not.
Someone who went through the Dutch football school and Sacchi's school as a player and who worked 5 years in Barcelona and saw how do they work there, can only add quality and new ideas.
Winning the CL, which is often downplayed here only because he did it with Barca (as if winning the CL with Barca is not a success) is just a plus.
Someone who went through the Dutch football school and Sacchi's school as a player and who worked 5 years in Barcelona and saw how do they work there, can only add quality and new ideas.
Winning the CL, which is often downplayed here only because he did it with Barca (as if winning the CL with Barca is not a success) is just a plus.
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Because the best generation of players where there for him to coach. Not in many teams you can sit back and let the guys play and IMO that Barcelona (and now this Barcelona) is capable of doing that. Even though I rate Pep much higher than Rijkaard. I don't think he ever had that much influence on the pitch, it looked like he's not involved with the players. Pep holds the line while this one was more free and I remember I didn't like his subs very often when I watched them play. Do you know what Messi said? He's grateful that he launched his career (which is normal) but he also said that he gave them too much freedom on the filed that they couldn't handle. If a team like Barcelona, full of great players with great ball control, technique and passing, couldn't handle it then I don't want to see those kind of experiments here with our players, in this league.
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