What's up with folks talking about Conte? that'd be the Ferrara's mistake once again
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I haven't followed him since he left Barca, but he's not someone I've ever thought very highly of.
Rijkaard started struggling at Barca when Henk ten Cate left his post as assistant coach to move to Ajax.
I suspect he was a major influence behinds Rijkaards success at Barca and I would question whether Rijkaard has what it takes to win without having a ridiculously good team and having a very strong assistant coach.
Of course, it may be completely coincidental that Barca stopped winning after ten Cate left.
Rijkaard started struggling at Barca when Henk ten Cate left his post as assistant coach to move to Ajax.
I suspect he was a major influence behinds Rijkaards success at Barca and I would question whether Rijkaard has what it takes to win without having a ridiculously good team and having a very strong assistant coach.
Of course, it may be completely coincidental that Barca stopped winning after ten Cate left.
Ok, as an Arsenal fan you may be right over this, during discussions with my friends who watch EPL I've heard so many jokes about Liverpool and Benitez, that I thought it's common, but seems like it's not.
But come on, CL finalist and close to winning league is not a great achievement (at least I want something more), you could say the same about Grant, where he only coached Chelsea for less than a full season. I'd welcome Rafa with hands opened, but I don't consider him to be a better option than Blanc or Prandelli. All three of them are good enough to bring us trophies, but none of them is a sure case. The other factors like finances, dealing with dumb players and attractive football are pro Prandelli (I don't watch French league, so I'm not so sure about Blanc), but not pro Benitez.
But come on, CL finalist and close to winning league is not a great achievement (at least I want something more), you could say the same about Grant, where he only coached Chelsea for less than a full season. I'd welcome Rafa with hands opened, but I don't consider him to be a better option than Blanc or Prandelli. All three of them are good enough to bring us trophies, but none of them is a sure case. The other factors like finances, dealing with dumb players and attractive football are pro Prandelli (I don't watch French league, so I'm not so sure about Blanc), but not pro Benitez.
Exactly.
The problem with Italian coaches is that if the going gets tough, they do tend to revert back to their typical negative football. There are a few possible exceptions like Gasperini, but what's to say he wouldn't play a more closed down system at Juventus?
Ranieri never played that poor brand of football before he instituted it here, so there must have been something internal that made him choose it. Perhaps his interpretation of the squad. Looking at the group of players we have now, it's similar to that of 2007.
At Genoa, Gasperini has several good acting options for a club its size. But if he were to come to Juve he could very well choose a more conservative approach, or be forced to use it. That could be true with every Italian manager because that's really all they know.
So I'd rather play it safe, stay away from Italian managers at this time, and get someone like Benitez in there. As others have said, the league needs a change of style and so do we.
The problem with Italian coaches is that if the going gets tough, they do tend to revert back to their typical negative football. There are a few possible exceptions like Gasperini, but what's to say he wouldn't play a more closed down system at Juventus?
Ranieri never played that poor brand of football before he instituted it here, so there must have been something internal that made him choose it. Perhaps his interpretation of the squad. Looking at the group of players we have now, it's similar to that of 2007.
At Genoa, Gasperini has several good acting options for a club its size. But if he were to come to Juve he could very well choose a more conservative approach, or be forced to use it. That could be true with every Italian manager because that's really all they know.
So I'd rather play it safe, stay away from Italian managers at this time, and get someone like Benitez in there. As others have said, the league needs a change of style and so do we.
Looks like you didn't really follow serie A back in those days. 7 top players left Juventus and they weren't replaced. Chiellini wasn't even rated as a good player, even among the Juve fans. It was in Ranieri's Juve where he made his name.
After the best players left us, we had 5 stars (all of them, except Buffon, in their 30s already) and a bunch of newbies, who were supposed to fight against Milan (who won the CL only 3-4 months earlier) a much stronger Inter and a very strong Roma (Roma had a better team than us back then).
Our defense was consisted of Chiellini-Andrade-Criscito-Zebina, but due to Andrade's and Zebina's injuries and Criscito's poor showings, the defense was completely changed. Most of those guys played for the first time in their lives together. In midfield we had 2 newbies (Tiago, Almiron and then Nocerino).
It was a group of players who hardly even knew each other. We started with a big disadvantage compared to Roma, Milan and Inter, who on top of it, had a better team than us. 4th place was the best every single Juve fan expected. Actually, the 4th place was something we dreamed of and secretely hoped we can get.
Ranieri ended 3rd.
I don't know how, but for some reason we all expected that. Maybe because we were aware that we lacked quality compared to the top 3 teams and because it was a new team that still had to gel.
Second season. They played CL last year too.
But this achievement in the CL will cost a lot. Even though Prandelli has the 4th best team in the league (4th or 5th, depending how you rate Roma's squad. Imo, Fiorentina have the 4th best team in the league) his team is sharing the 10/11th place in serie A. Fiorentina have one of the deepest squads in the league and playing Wednesday/Sunday shouldn't be a problem for them. But it looks like someone isn't doing his job right, with the preparations or with the squad rotation.
It was an achievement. In both seasons Milan and Inter had a much better team than Juve and in the first season Roma too had a (much) better team. In his second season Ranieri had to do with 6-7 injuries per round on average.
I mean, most of these guys you mentioned were old. It's like saying that Ferguson will underachieve if he gets the third place in EPL with a squad consisted of Giggs, Scholes, Neville and van der Sar.
After the best players left us, we had 5 stars (all of them, except Buffon, in their 30s already) and a bunch of newbies, who were supposed to fight against Milan (who won the CL only 3-4 months earlier) a much stronger Inter and a very strong Roma (Roma had a better team than us back then).
Our defense was consisted of Chiellini-Andrade-Criscito-Zebina, but due to Andrade's and Zebina's injuries and Criscito's poor showings, the defense was completely changed. Most of those guys played for the first time in their lives together. In midfield we had 2 newbies (Tiago, Almiron and then Nocerino).
It was a group of players who hardly even knew each other. We started with a big disadvantage compared to Roma, Milan and Inter, who on top of it, had a better team than us. 4th place was the best every single Juve fan expected. Actually, the 4th place was something we dreamed of and secretely hoped we can get.
Ranieri ended 3rd.
I don't know how, but for some reason we all expected that. Maybe because we were aware that we lacked quality compared to the top 3 teams and because it was a new team that still had to gel.
Second season. They played CL last year too.
But this achievement in the CL will cost a lot. Even though Prandelli has the 4th best team in the league (4th or 5th, depending how you rate Roma's squad. Imo, Fiorentina have the 4th best team in the league) his team is sharing the 10/11th place in serie A. Fiorentina have one of the deepest squads in the league and playing Wednesday/Sunday shouldn't be a problem for them. But it looks like someone isn't doing his job right, with the preparations or with the squad rotation.
It was an achievement. In both seasons Milan and Inter had a much better team than Juve and in the first season Roma too had a (much) better team. In his second season Ranieri had to do with 6-7 injuries per round on average.
I mean, most of these guys you mentioned were old. It's like saying that Ferguson will underachieve if he gets the third place in EPL with a squad consisted of Giggs, Scholes, Neville and van der Sar.
Personally, I'd rather have someone who knows more about football in general than one who is limited to Serie A. Gaining experience in other leagues adds to your overall view of the game and could shape your own tactical approach of the game for the better.
Looking at how the foreign-coached English teams have been better against the Italians over the years, one has to admit that such tactics could work in Serie A.
Looking at how the foreign-coached English teams have been better against the Italians over the years, one has to admit that such tactics could work in Serie A.
Some might say that we're disrespecting or underestimating the Italian coaches, but at least I am not doing that.
Others will use Mancini, Capello and Ancelotti to prove how the Italians are still coaching top foreign teams and they're being respected in Europe.
No doubt that Italy has great football culture and great coaches. But isn't it obvious that these coaches can't offer anything new and can't improve or change the Italian football?
In England you have different styles. French coaches, British coaches, Spanish coaches, Italian coaches etc. All of them give their knowledge to the players. Styles are being mixed, players learn from different coaches who come from different football schools. They take the best out of every football school and you get a mixture, a winning one.
In Italy nothing has been changed for decades now. Italy needs something new to shake them up, to wake them up from this lethargy.
I rate Capello higher than both Benitez and Blanc. On top of it, Capello is one of my all time favorite coaches. But i'm willing to sacrifice getting Cap, just so we can get something new, something unseen here, but proven elsewhere. It might be a costly experiment, a risk that the foreign coach won't be able to handle Italy. But it's a risk i'm willing to take.
Mourinho and Leonardo are leading the #1 and #2 teams in serie A.
Others will use Mancini, Capello and Ancelotti to prove how the Italians are still coaching top foreign teams and they're being respected in Europe.
No doubt that Italy has great football culture and great coaches. But isn't it obvious that these coaches can't offer anything new and can't improve or change the Italian football?
In England you have different styles. French coaches, British coaches, Spanish coaches, Italian coaches etc. All of them give their knowledge to the players. Styles are being mixed, players learn from different coaches who come from different football schools. They take the best out of every football school and you get a mixture, a winning one.
In Italy nothing has been changed for decades now. Italy needs something new to shake them up, to wake them up from this lethargy.
I rate Capello higher than both Benitez and Blanc. On top of it, Capello is one of my all time favorite coaches. But i'm willing to sacrifice getting Cap, just so we can get something new, something unseen here, but proven elsewhere. It might be a costly experiment, a risk that the foreign coach won't be able to handle Italy. But it's a risk i'm willing to take.
Mourinho and Leonardo are leading the #1 and #2 teams in serie A.
Winning the Champions League is not a great achievement. 
What words of wisdom.
What words of wisdom.
How can you say yes to Benitez and no to Capello? Exactly how Benitez edges Capello?
The argument that under Italian coach we would most likely play defensive football is ridiculous too, if Prandelli is one of the main candidates. Do you ever watch Serie A?
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