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Yeah I remember the they when they have demolished us. 
How do you mean always?
That's a blind fact, you can't even know if he responsible for those players coming out. But what are the odds? Slim, a coach can't be involved in every single transfer. You saw what Messi said, he gave them too much freedom that they couldn't handle. Same thing was Spalletti doing in Roma and when Ranieri came Totti said that his game is too simple and they can't get used to it, yet it brought them amazing results. I don't believe he's a good coach based on that. He'd have to prove me wrong and giving him that shot would be a huge gamble.
He added what in Barcelona? Creativity and a good football? We don't have that type of player to see something new. We need somebody to make our players run and to make our football more dynamic. Like what Antic did with Serbia. I don't think Rijkaard is the guy who can do that. Red also gave a good point there when it comes to Rijkaard and Ten Cate.
I do agree with your point though. We do need something new here, some new style of football. I just don't agree it's Rijkaard who should do that but maybe I'm wrong.
How do you mean always?
That's a blind fact, you can't even know if he responsible for those players coming out. But what are the odds? Slim, a coach can't be involved in every single transfer. You saw what Messi said, he gave them too much freedom that they couldn't handle. Same thing was Spalletti doing in Roma and when Ranieri came Totti said that his game is too simple and they can't get used to it, yet it brought them amazing results. I don't believe he's a good coach based on that. He'd have to prove me wrong and giving him that shot would be a huge gamble.
He added what in Barcelona? Creativity and a good football? We don't have that type of player to see something new. We need somebody to make our players run and to make our football more dynamic. Like what Antic did with Serbia. I don't think Rijkaard is the guy who can do that. Red also gave a good point there when it comes to Rijkaard and Ten Cate.
I do agree with your point though. We do need something new here, some new style of football. I just don't agree it's Rijkaard who should do that but maybe I'm wrong.
Nah, I disagree with you on this. CL is played throughout the season and at the same time you play in different competitions. You're responsible for physically and psychically preparing the players, you need to show consistency for a longer period than only 20-30 days. You simply have to form that team, be with them every single day, solve individual problems etc. You have to eliminate teams in 2 leg matches so a fluke win in one of those matches won't be enough for you to proceed in the competition. It surely doesn't require the same consistency as the domestic championships do and luck in the draw plays it's part, but it's not comparable to the WC.
At the WC you have 7 matches maximum, in 30 days. If your country's blessed you with good players, you can coach them out to success.
Hear the names of the WC winning coaches and the WC finalists:
- Marcello Lippi-----Raymond Domenech
- Luiz Felipe Scolari ----- Rudi Völler
- Aimé Jacquet-----Mário Zagallo
- Carlos Alberto Parreira-----Arrigo Sacchi
- Franz Beckenbauer-----Carlos Bilardo
You can see only two names who are considered to be good coaches. None of the others made it in club football, where the real money is.
Winning the WC is imo easier than winning the CL. The trophy is more important and more prestigious, but it's not harder to get. If winning the WC is a bigger and tougher achievement than winning the CL, then those Brazilian coaches must be the best coaches in the world.
At the WC you have 7 matches maximum, in 30 days. If your country's blessed you with good players, you can coach them out to success.
Hear the names of the WC winning coaches and the WC finalists:
- Marcello Lippi-----Raymond Domenech
- Luiz Felipe Scolari ----- Rudi Völler
- Aimé Jacquet-----Mário Zagallo
- Carlos Alberto Parreira-----Arrigo Sacchi
- Franz Beckenbauer-----Carlos Bilardo
You can see only two names who are considered to be good coaches. None of the others made it in club football, where the real money is.
Winning the WC is imo easier than winning the CL. The trophy is more important and more prestigious, but it's not harder to get. If winning the WC is a bigger and tougher achievement than winning the CL, then those Brazilian coaches must be the best coaches in the world.
Guardiola, Grant, Deschamps, Topmoller - several pretty limited coaches in the recent years have reached the final in CL too, but that doesn't make the competition "easier". Some of the best coaches around are working with NT's, it's pretty much in balance. Lippi, Capello, Rehagel, del Bosque are quality. As you said, it's more important and prestigious to win the WC, Pele and Maradona are mostly remember for their heroics with NT. Other factors do have an impact on whether it's harder than CL or not. Greece in 2004 was pure brilliance of coach, Brazil 2002 not so much.
Brazil, Argentine, Germany, Italy, Spain, England, France, Netherlands, Portugal. I wouldn't be surprised if any of these countries won World Cup. There also are teams like Cote d'Ivour, Ghana, US, Mexico and every other team from Europe that could be a pain in the ass and surprise everyone. If anything, WC isn't lacking in quality. There are teams like New Zealand in CL too, Maccabi Haifa to name one.
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That's something I was afraid of when we got him.
He's here to get us the fourth place and then he can leave. I'll be thankful but that's it. He's not a coach that we should stick with for the future. After him we should look for a long term solution, expensive or not. Things gotta be sorted out and Zaccheroni shouldn't be doing that.
He's here to get us the fourth place and then he can leave. I'll be thankful but that's it. He's not a coach that we should stick with for the future. After him we should look for a long term solution, expensive or not. Things gotta be sorted out and Zaccheroni shouldn't be doing that.
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