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Not much in terms of achievements, if anything Ranieri has done better than Prandelli.
Yet I still voted for Prandelli because I think he's a realistic target, while Blanc is not. And I do think Prandelli has somewhat overachieved with Fiorentina, apart from this season. I'd say that finishing before any of the big 4 is an achievement for them.
Now, if we can get Prandelli to overachieve with us, we'd be fighting for the scudetto
Also, what's a laughing stoke
Yet I still voted for Prandelli because I think he's a realistic target, while Blanc is not. And I do think Prandelli has somewhat overachieved with Fiorentina, apart from this season. I'd say that finishing before any of the big 4 is an achievement for them.
Now, if we can get Prandelli to overachieve with us, we'd be fighting for the scudetto
Also, what's a laughing stoke
There are pros and cons to all of these coaches, I would prefer someone who fits into the Juventus model and who is a winner.
There is a lot of equally ridiculous pro and anti-Italian sentiment on this forum. I think some forget and some overplay the identity of this club. It is the club of Italy, La Vecchia Signora of calcio, and it is important for the home-based millions who follow the team that there is an Italian touch to it. It is however not a requirement that the coach is Italian, that we have to have a set amount of Italian players or have to play in a classical 'Italian' way. The directors try to keep a balance between signing foreign stars and bringing through guys like Marchisio who can become future 'bandieri'. This is a lad who is a fan, these are the players that fans identify with more. Perhaps this has become something taken for granted in the days of multi national squads, by fans many miles away. Like I said, not a requirement, but if you can do it then it is preferable. If we can bring through guys like Marchisio more often, fantastic.
I would prefer a coach who understands the Italian game. Not a coach who plays 'Italian football', but understands it. Maybe that is Blanc from his time at Inter, maybe that is Benitez, who studied it. Just maybe, whisper it quietly, that given the ratio of coaches it is an Italian coach. Mourinho is a foreigner but understands it perfectly and his system is perfect for it.
There is a lot of equally ridiculous pro and anti-Italian sentiment on this forum. I think some forget and some overplay the identity of this club. It is the club of Italy, La Vecchia Signora of calcio, and it is important for the home-based millions who follow the team that there is an Italian touch to it. It is however not a requirement that the coach is Italian, that we have to have a set amount of Italian players or have to play in a classical 'Italian' way. The directors try to keep a balance between signing foreign stars and bringing through guys like Marchisio who can become future 'bandieri'. This is a lad who is a fan, these are the players that fans identify with more. Perhaps this has become something taken for granted in the days of multi national squads, by fans many miles away. Like I said, not a requirement, but if you can do it then it is preferable. If we can bring through guys like Marchisio more often, fantastic.
I would prefer a coach who understands the Italian game. Not a coach who plays 'Italian football', but understands it. Maybe that is Blanc from his time at Inter, maybe that is Benitez, who studied it. Just maybe, whisper it quietly, that given the ratio of coaches it is an Italian coach. Mourinho is a foreigner but understands it perfectly and his system is perfect for it.
Blanc would be my #1 choice. He has proven to be a good coach tactically and that's exactly what we need since i feel we already have a decent enough squad (barring the fullbacks). I don't see a chance for us getting him though. Benitez is the best of the realistical options. Prandelli has coached for almost 20 years and still hasn't proven to be a coach that can win something. I don't care how Italian he is there's no reason to hire him at this point.
But how do you know that he wasn't the one responsible for that generation of players playing there?
Ronaldinho, Eto'o, Marquez, Giuly, Deco etc came to Barca when Rijkaard was the coach.
I won't count Messi because every coach would have given a chance to Messi and launched his career, but Iniesta was a no-one who wasn't even playing well, yet Rijkaard kept giving him a chance. It was under Rijkaard when Xavi finally got a freedom to play his game.
Under his guidance the Dutch NT played the best football I've seen from them (maybe you remember them destroying Yugoslavia 6:1). It was under his guidance when Barcelona grew up into the best team in the world and now I see that he's leading the Turkish league with Galatasaray.
He must be one lucky coach to always have the best generations of players playing for him.
Ronaldinho, Eto'o, Marquez, Giuly, Deco etc came to Barca when Rijkaard was the coach.
I won't count Messi because every coach would have given a chance to Messi and launched his career, but Iniesta was a no-one who wasn't even playing well, yet Rijkaard kept giving him a chance. It was under Rijkaard when Xavi finally got a freedom to play his game.
Under his guidance the Dutch NT played the best football I've seen from them (maybe you remember them destroying Yugoslavia 6:1). It was under his guidance when Barcelona grew up into the best team in the world and now I see that he's leading the Turkish league with Galatasaray.
He must be one lucky coach to always have the best generations of players playing for him.
All those instances of teams suits his philosophy of football - Spain, Netherlands (playing a technical team like Yugoslavia no less, in your example) and Turkey. Barcelona, the Netherlands and Galatasary. Three team who play good attacking football by definition. Do you think Italy would suit him? Do you think his teams have enough about them mentally to get through the inevitable battles that appear during a Serie A season? Whenever Barcelona played an English side with men behind the ball they struggled to break them down. It's also worth remembering how his time ended, trophiless for two years and ending up 18 points behind Real Madrid and 10 off Villarreal. 
All those instances of teams suits his philosophy of football - Spain, Netherlands (playing a technical team like Yugoslavia no less, in your example) and Turkey. Barcelona, the Netherlands and Galatasary. Three team who play good attacking football by definition. Do you think Italy would suit him? Do you think his teams have enough about them mentally to get through the inevitable battles that appear during a Serie A season? Whenever Barcelona played an English side with men behind the ball they struggled to break them down. It's also worth remembering how his time ended, trophiless for two years and ending up 18 points behind Real Madrid and 10 off Villarreal.
It also seemed impossible some 10 years ago to change the English way and English idea of how football should be played. Then came Wenger and the likes. Now the best coaches in England aren't English and they successfully implemented new styles, completely different than the English one.
Well as I said to Andy, I think that mentality has started to change if you look around the league, but it isn't going to shift to the extreme where it becomes like Spanish football.
The PL has still kept certain aspects of English football, the pace, tackling (well discussed here), 'sportsmanship' to an extent, letting the game flow, fitness. Foreign coaches have added superior technical and tactical aspects to the game.
I'm not sure Serie A needs improving in the technical and tactical respects, but then you look at what Mourinho is doing by bringing in more athletic players, who find a bit of middle ground between the two leagues. I think that has worked, at least in terms of results. I'm looking for more along those lines but with a bit more style, which we have with our individuals, but could add more. I'm not sure a completely different philosophy is the way to go. Perhaps Rijkaard wouldn't impliment it to that degree.
The PL has still kept certain aspects of English football, the pace, tackling (well discussed here), 'sportsmanship' to an extent, letting the game flow, fitness. Foreign coaches have added superior technical and tactical aspects to the game.
I'm not sure Serie A needs improving in the technical and tactical respects, but then you look at what Mourinho is doing by bringing in more athletic players, who find a bit of middle ground between the two leagues. I think that has worked, at least in terms of results. I'm looking for more along those lines but with a bit more style, which we have with our individuals, but could add more. I'm not sure a completely different philosophy is the way to go. Perhaps Rijkaard wouldn't impliment it to that degree.
Benitez was never a laughing stock, he almost won the league last season, and he won a CL once and was a finalist another time.
There is no doubt at all that Rafa is a better coach than Prandelli.
Now you're just taking it too far. Juve were demoted to the Serie B and were back the next year, they kept quite a few of their top players. I mean you guys had Nedved, Camoranesi, Trezeguet, Chiellini, Buffon and DP.
How could anyone expect a squad like that to get anything less than second or third place?? Fiorentina had to fight there way from the bottom and when Prandelli took over in his first season, he didn't really have much of a squad. But he built this current Fiorentina team and i believe it was a big achievment of him, not only that he built such a team in a short time, but also that he took his team to the second round of the CL and eliminated Benitez's Liverpool in the process, all that in Fiorentina's first season in the CL in a long long time.
What i don't understand is this: Are you honestly trying to say that it was an achievement of Ranieri to get third place with a squad consisting of DP, Trezeguet, Nedved, Camo, Zanetti, Chiellini and Buffon??
If anything he should have done much better with the squad he had.
There is no doubt at all that Rafa is a better coach than Prandelli.
Now you're just taking it too far. Juve were demoted to the Serie B and were back the next year, they kept quite a few of their top players. I mean you guys had Nedved, Camoranesi, Trezeguet, Chiellini, Buffon and DP.
How could anyone expect a squad like that to get anything less than second or third place?? Fiorentina had to fight there way from the bottom and when Prandelli took over in his first season, he didn't really have much of a squad. But he built this current Fiorentina team and i believe it was a big achievment of him, not only that he built such a team in a short time, but also that he took his team to the second round of the CL and eliminated Benitez's Liverpool in the process, all that in Fiorentina's first season in the CL in a long long time.
What i don't understand is this: Are you honestly trying to say that it was an achievement of Ranieri to get third place with a squad consisting of DP, Trezeguet, Nedved, Camo, Zanetti, Chiellini and Buffon??
If anything he should have done much better with the squad he had.
Some pundits might have speculated as to our league position but really there was no precedent for it so they were just guessing, I think our squad was well worth 3rd place. The placing seemed about right to me, then second the year after (on a head to head record). Probably about par. Ranieri was a solid coach who was important in creating foundations, we then had to take the next step up but chose a rookie coach to win the league. Very strange gamble.
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