[Friendly] Sunderland Vs Juventus [4th August] (9 Viewers)

[Stu]

You´ll agree with everyone who has different opinion from me, even if you are wrong, which you are. You are as dumb as that.

When people run out of arguments then they tell you to go watch another league or go support Inter. Morons.

I can attest to that. I've been told to go support Inter on a number of occasions simply because I say what the blind fanboys don't want to hear. They think they're hurting my feelings but I merely laugh a mirthless laugh of pity at their posts.

n00bz

 

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[Marc]

Everyone has his preference and the Bundesliga is a very good league, its not as commercial as the other ones and thats why the teams there are so far behind the other european teams.

I dont think it will ever be like the Bundesliga because simply the money is there to spend unlike the Bundesliga.

If everyone has his preference then why can´t I support French national team? I know Bundesliga is very good but you and I know that Bundesliga is in big crisis and that is what Serie A and Bundesliga have in common: They are in crisis.

Anyway, you are one of the rare guys which I like talking to. It has been a pleasure for me.

Unlike that guys like Andy and Rab who just want to discredit other posters because they think they are superior and Forum Gods, which they are not. They are just poor, scared children with no real life or friends. I feel for them.

 

[Marc]

I can attest to that. I've been told to go support Inter on a number of occasions simply because I say what the blind fanboys don't want to hear. They think they're hurting my feelings but I merely laugh a mirthless laugh of pity at their posts.

n00bz

I am glad you know what I am talking.

 

[Stu]

I am glad you know what I am talking.

Anyone who thinks Serie A is better than the EPL right now is pretty much wrong. We'll have to wait and see how things go this season but the Premiership is the top league in the world as of now.

 

[Marc]

I second that.

 

[Stu]

Good boy.

 

[Gill_juve]

Everyone has his preference and the Bundesliga is a very good league, its not as commercial as the other ones and thats why the teams there are so far behind the other european teams.

I dont think it will ever be like the Bundesliga because simply the money is there to spend unlike the Bundesliga.

and the fact that the italian serie A is not just a 5 year clique, its been great for 80 years now.

i do agree that epl is the best atm. but i dont see it dominating for many years to come. but it does irritate me at the amount of foreign investment they do have.

 

[francesco]

My point is that you start accepting that English club football in recent years is stronger and more succesful no matter how many foreigners they have and you should start acknowledging it, not ignoring it and be totally biased like Badass_Devil.

Azzurri domination on iternational stage? They haven´t won shit since 1982. For 24 years they haven´t nothing, 0 trophies, the domination was between Brazil and France, so what the hell are you talking about? Get your facts straight and look beyond your obvious Italian bias.

In the last 15 years Italians have been known more by their flopping than success. They haven´t won a single World Cup from 1982 until 2006 and flopped on WC 1998 and 2002 and they certainly flopped on EURO 1992, 1996 and 2004.

So, take that bias and shove it up you mouth and accept that EPL is superior to Serie A.

English club football is more successful? how? because they continually reach the semi's? Liverpool only won it once. Sorry but reaching the semi's doesnt make them more successful. Being successful is winning the cup like Milan have done.

And i didnt say that the Azzurri were successful, i said that i hope they continue on their success from winning the world cup! And ok i admit Brazil dominated the international scene for many years, but the French? They won 1 world cup and 1 european cup, they flopped the following world cup and didnt even score a goal. Before winning those 2 trophies they did nothing, so no they didnt dominate. Andy is right, you cant handle that Italy beat your beloved France in the final. Im sure you are gonna say 'yes but France beat Italy after the final 3-1'. Well i sure know which game i would have liked France to win if i was following them.

 

[David01]

I think serie A has the structure of a piramid right now the title will go to one of the Milanese clubs and then you have Roma, Juve and Palermo and then the rest.
I think the level of the top has remained the same but the small teams can't challenge the top any more. There is no difference with England I think but the small teams are getting worse, in England the smaller teams are capable of an upset.
People only think the English league is superior because it is more exciting but I doubt that it is stronger. I do believe a competitevness will get you stronger and that is what I lack in serie A right now. Last year was a fluke but Inter were far superior in the absence of Juve and Milan was handicapped to begin with.
I counted on Roma, Fiorentina, Lazio, Palermo to stop them but they failed.

 

[Gill_juve]

I think serie A has the structure of a piramid right now the title will go to one of the Milanese clubs and then you have Roma, Juve and Palermo and then the rest.
I think the level of the top has remained the same but the small teams can't challenge the top any more. There is no difference with England I think but the small teams are getting worse, in England the smaller teams are capable of an upset.
People only think the English league is superior because it is more exciting but I doubt that it is stronger. I do believe a competitevness will get you stronger and that is what I lack in serie A right now. Last year was a fluke but Inter were far superior in the absence of Juve and Milan was handicapped to begin with.
I counted on Roma, Fiorentina, Lazio, Palermo to stop them but they failed.

i epl, the only strong teams i would say are man.u, chelsea, liverpool atm.

 

[Seven]

Azzurri domination on iternational stage? They haven´t won shit since 1982. For 24 years they haven´t nothing, 0 trophies, the domination was between Brazil and France, so what the hell are you talking about? Get your facts straight and look beyond your obvious Italian bias.

In the last 15 years Italians have been known more by their flopping than success. They haven´t won a single World Cup from 1982 until 2006 and flopped on WC 1998 and 2002 and they certainly flopped on EURO 1992, 1996 and 2004.

So, take that bias and shove it up you mouth and accept that EPL is superior to Serie A.

I agree about the EPL being stronger than Serie A, but the rest is just bullshit.

Italy were in the semi-final of the 1990 WC, in the final in 1994 and in the quarters in 1998. 2002 was poor, but TBH the refereeing was an utter disgrace as 50% of Italy's legal goals were cancelled. In 2006 they won the WC.

On the European stage the Azzurri have never performed too well, but let's not forget they reached the final in 2000.

This gives you one WC win, a lost WC final, a lost EC final, a lost semi-final and a lost quarter final between 1990 and 2006, which is hardly a poor record.

 

[adelove]

English club football is more successful? how? because they continually reach the semi's? Liverpool only won it once. Sorry but reaching the semi's doesnt make them more successful. Being successful is winning the cup like Milan have done.

And i didnt say that the Azzurri were successful, i said that i hope they continue on their success from winning the world cup! And ok i admit Brazil dominated the international scene for many years, but the French? They won 1 world cup and 1 european cup, they flopped the following world cup and didnt even score a goal. Before winning those 2 trophies they did nothing, so no they didnt dominate. Andy is right, you cant handle that Italy beat your beloved France in the final. Im sure you are gonna say 'yes but France beat Italy after the final 3-1'. Well i sure know which game i would have liked France to win if i was following them.

n i thot this was d Sunderland v Juventus thread

 

[David01]

that is my point, I don't think there is much difference at the top but I believe the smaller teams in England are stronger then the Italian ones. I also think the top teams in Italy are of the same level as they were 5 years ago. In England I believe the small teams have gotten better because of all the money . They have bought a lot of foreigners and that is why their national team isn't improving.
I really don't think there is much difference between the top in England or in Italy,only the premier league looks more exciting because of the way teams play and because everybody can beat ManU, Chelsea, Arsenal or Liverpool on a good day.

 

[sateeh]

If everyone has his preference then why can´t I support French national team? I know Bundesliga is very good but you and I know that Bundesliga is in big crisis and that is what Serie A and Bundesliga have in common: They are in crisis.

Anyway, you are one of the rare guys which I like talking to. It has been a pleasure for me.

Unlike that guys like Andy and Rab who just want to discredit other posters because they think they are superior and Forum Gods, which they are not. They are just poor, scared children with no real life or friends. I feel for them.

I dont think the Bundesliga is in crisis, they just weren't able to lift themselves to match the other European leagues in regards to simply money ( something that would bring in the extra quality ofcourse)
They are a bit old school you can say, and the German pride themselves with their league because it is a league for them you could say. Something that the other leagues have surpassed them in.

Also you could support the French NT, i didn't tell you not to. I am a Germany fan, its just my choice.You don't have to support the Azzuri if you're a juve fan.

You are alright too mate, its been a pleasure too. Just take it easy

 

[francesco]

I agree about the EPL being stronger than Serie A, but the rest is just bullshit.

Italy were in the semi-final of the 1990 WC, in the final in 1994 and in the quarters in 1998. 2002 was poor, but TBH the refereeing was an utter disgrace as 50% of Italy's legal goals were cancelled. In 2006 they won the WC.

On the European stage the Azzurri have never performed too well, but let's not forget they reached the final in 2000.

This gives you one WC win, a lost WC final, a lost EC final, a lost semi-final and a lost quarter final between 1990 and 2006, which is hardly a poor record.

Thank you
at least you know what you are talking about

 

[TERENCEE]

well, i only can said.. if u think italian league is a shitty league and no way matter den epl... you are not a real juve fans..

so u want to compare epl team and serie a team in ucl.. heres it is.

2006/07 AC Milan 2 - 1 Liverpool
2005/06 FC Barcelona 2 - 1 Arsenal FC Stade de France,
2004/05 Liverpool FC 3 - 3 aet, AC Milan
2003/04 FC Porto 3 - 0 AS Monaco FC
2002/03 AC Milan 0 - 0 aet Juventus FC
2001/02 Real Madrid CF 2 - 1 Bayer 04 Leverkusen
2000/01 FC Bayern München 1 - 1 aet,Valencia CF
1999/2000 Real Madrid CF 3 - 0 Valencia CF
1998/99 Manchester United FC 2 - 1 FC Bayern München
1997/98 Real Madrid CF 1 - 0 Juventus FC
1996/97 BV Borussia Dortmund 3 - 1 Juventus FC


base on the last ten years, italian team : 2 champions, 5 runners up
epl team: 2 champions, 2 runners up

statistic shown everything..

 

[tonykart]

which is why serie A is a league i can be proud to support, a league that has kept its identity and herritage, clubs are being thrashed tv deals and dodgey investors laundering money bringing into foreign trash, im proud that italy despite being beaten and battered by the media and pundits alike b4 the world cup turned around and stuck their middle finger and defied the world and brought back what is rightfully ours, best of all sticking it to fifa. Im proud of the fact that italy is the only league that doesnt have any foreign managers in the top flight and has the least number of foreign imports out of all the european leagues. I love the colour, passion and noise of the italian game, not the family day out on a saturday afternoon with a fat greasy pie and a pint at half time that i see in england. To me the epl wants to be like italy, thats why they are thrashing all this money about, but italy will continue to outproduce quality and reign europe and the world for years to come

I totally agree. But, I seem to get lambasted when I want to buy Italians for Juventus. The English league didn't become de-nationalized overnight. It happened 1 signing at a time.

 

[David01]

you make one capital mistake in judgeng one league to another if you only look at the winners. I personally rate the Spanish one the highest. Why? Not only because of Barcelona or Real but because of Villareal, Sevilla, Espanol. The level of a league isn't the level of the top class teams but it's because of the overall level of all teams. Real and Barcelona are big clubs and they will always compete for the honors whether they win trophies is often based on quality but they too need some degree of luck. A shot that hits the post or hits the back of the net can make the difference. But when you see mediocre teams like Villareal or Espanol reach at least the quarter finals of a European competition and Sevilla win twice in a row then you can start thinking the level is pretty high in Spain.
In the nineties serie A dominated all European competitions not only because Juve and Milan won CL but also because year in year out Italian teams reached at least the second rounds.
Ajax reached the finals a couple of times in a row but that didn't make the Dutch league the best in the world.

 

[tonykart]

you make one capital mistake in judgeng one league to another if you only look at the winners. I personally rate the Spanish one the highest. Why? Not only because of Barcelona or Real but because of Villareal, Sevilla, Espanol. The level of a league isn't the level of the top class teams but it's because of the overall level of all teams. Real and Barcelona are big clubs and they will always compete for the honors whether they win trophies is often based on quality but they too need some degree of luck. A shot that hits the post or hits the back of the net can make the difference. But when you see mediocre teams like Villareal or Espanol reach at least the quarter finals of a European competition and Sevilla win twice in a row then you can start thinking the level is pretty high in Spain.
In the nineties serie A dominated all European competitions not only because Juve and Milan won CL but also because year in year out Italian teams reached at least the second rounds.
Ajax reached the finals a couple of times in a row but that didn't make the Dutch league the best in the world.

Spain has a good league, but the football is very sloppy.

 

[David01]

Spain has a good league, but the football is very sloppy.

I'm not saying I like La Liga best but only look how mediocre teams perform and not only the top teams, don't just look at the winners of trophies then I say that Spain has the best league at the moment.