[Friendly] Sunderland Vs Juventus [4th August] (2 Viewers)

[Lucky Luke]

Just give Boum and Legro a chance to show if they deserve to play instead of using Grygera,Zebina and Chiellini as CBs mr.C-Ra.

 

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[Red]

Just give Boum and Legro a chance to show if they deserve to play instead of using Grygera,Zebina and Chiellini as CBs mr.C-Ra.

That is the last thing we should be doing.

 

[Lucky Luke]

That is the last thing we should be doing.

What other options do we have then?Cause i know that u prefer Chiellini as a CB and i'm 100% against that.However that what i think...

 

[Red]

What other options do we have then?Cause i know that u prefer Chiellini as a CB and i'm 100% against that.However that what i think...

I believe you must have as strong a CB pairing as possible at all costs, even if that weakens another area. As such I would play Chiellini CB as behind Andrade I think he is the best at playing CB we have.

However, I think our problem may be solved as we will buy another CB, after seeing how much the defence has struggled so far.

 

[Lucky Luke]

I believe you must have as strong a CB pairing as possible at all costs, even if that weakens another area. As such I would play Chiellini CB as behind Andrade I think he is the best at playing CB we have.

However, I think our problem may be solved as we will buy another CB, after seeing how much the defence has struggled so far.

that CB u mentioned is Meira!!

 

[Badass J Elkann]

whats the big deal about meira? hes good, but we can do better, especially for the ridiculous price stuttgart want for him

CRISCITO FOR CB!

 

[Marc]

You're somehow special case, he was spot on when he doubted your football intelligence.

Old news coming from you. This is everything you have to say, your only defense besides "Soap it" or "Forza Del Piero" or "Hot dog" and the rest of boring shit from your mouth.

The truth is that you are in love with me and this Forum and you have no life, that´s why you take me as a serious threat to you. I read you like a book.

 

[Marc]

i was reading some posts and i have to say people who are bad mouthing Serie A should just stop watching it and go watch the premiership if its so great

first of all last year was the worst year because all Inters competion had point penalties, obviously there is going to be no competion when Milan, Roma, and Fiorentina start at negative numbers plus Juve wasnt even in the leauge

If English teams are so great why can't they compete in Europe? what have Chelsea, Man U and Arsenal won lately besides an English title, the only team that comes close is Liverpool. I don't care if Inter or roma r shit in Europe we have Milan and soon Juve

UEFA cup dosent even matter because the italian teams dont focus on it the coaches even say it in interviews

who won European and World player of the year Cannavaro, an italian player not an english, french or brazilian, besides Italy won the world cup last year and Mian won the champs leauge so italians pretty much owned calcio this year, also Totti won the golden boot award this year too

Serie A is still considered one of the hardest leauges in europe, so ppl who like to bring the leauge down can say whatever they want because its their opinion but this is mine

I was going to read your post but then I saw you´re not too bright and totally biased to Calcio like many folks here.

If you bothered to check the real facts, you would have realised that 3 English teams were in Champions League Final in last 3 seasons (Liverpool twice and Arsenal once) and 1 English team lifting the trophy (Liverpool).

In addition to that last season 3 English teams were in CL semi-final, 1 team in 2005/06, 2 teams in 2004/05 and in 2003/04 1 team.

Ummm..... Let´s now compare that to Italians:

In 2003/04 0 Italian teams in Semi-finals. (Chelsea, Monaco, Porto, Deportivo)

In 2004/05 Milan lost in final. Except Milan no Italian teams in semi-finals. (Chelsea, Liverpool, Milan, PSV Eindhoven)

In 2005/06 again only Milan in Semi-Finals. (Arsenal, Barcelona, Villareal, Milan)

In 2006/07 again only 1 Italian in semi-final and in Final. (Milan, Chelsea, Liverpool, Manchester United)

So, I ask you where are those great Italian teams?? Nowhere. They got owned in Europe just like you.

 

[fender06]

whats the big deal about meira? hes good, but we can do better, especially for the ridiculous price stuttgart want for him

CRISCITO FOR CB!

i don't watch CRISCITO plays much, but he seems too thin...

 

[francesco]

I was going to read your post but then I saw you´re not too bright and totally biased to Calcio like many folks here.

If you bothered to check the real facts, you would have realised that 3 English teams were in Champions League Final in last 3 seasons (Liverpool twice and Arsenal once) and 1 English team lifting the trophy (Liverpool).

In addition to that last season 3 English teams were in CL semi-final, 1 team in 2005/06, 2 teams in 2004/05 and in 2003/04 1 team.

Ummm..... Let´s now compare that to Italians:

In 2003/04 0 Italian teams in Semi-finals. (Chelsea, Monaco, Porto, Deportivo)

In 2004/05 Milan lost in final. Except Milan no Italian teams in semi-finals. (Chelsea, Liverpool, Milan, PSV Eindhoven)

In 2005/06 again only Milan in Semi-Finals. (Arsenal, Barcelona, Villareal, Milan)

In 2006/07 again only 1 Italian in semi-final and in Final. (Milan, Chelsea, Liverpool, Manchester United)

So, I ask you where are those great Italian teams?? Nowhere. They got owned in Europe just like you.

You are just basing your opinion on CL? no doubt that Milan has been the only real threat there, but there is no doubt that Milan is better than all those teams you mentioned. Last year was probably the worst year in Italian Football history because of Calciopoli, but Italy still managed to win the World Cup, Milan won CL, Cannavaro won world player of the year as well as FIF Pro player of the year and Totti won the golden boot. Not a bad list of achievements there. Looks alot better than having teams in Semi-finals but still not winning anything..no doubt the quality of Serie A has declined but we can proud of our league as Badass said. We dont have idiots coming in buying our clubs for the hell of it, and there isnt too many foreigners, which points to a good future for the Azzurri. England has struggled on the International stage for many years, and IMO will just get worse. It is no surprise that Italian Football has dominated the scene for a long time, and will continue to do so. Now its just time for the Azzurri to carry on with their success, so we can rule both club and International football.

 

[Bjerknes]

I'll agree with people telling Mark to go watch the EPL if he thinks Serie A is a shitty league. He even shits on his beloved France's Ligue 1 for some weird reason, and frankly I don't know why he gloryhunts for France anyway. He's probably just pissed off Italy won the World Cup. These people who continuously shit on their club's league are just as bad as those who suck the cocks of their favorite league. Get the hell out and righteously gloryhunt somewhere else.

 

[Marc]

You are just basing your opinion on CL? no doubt that Milan has been the only real threat there, but there is no doubt that Milan is better than all those teams you mentioned. Last year was probably the worst year in Italian Football history because of Calciopoli, but Italy still managed to win the World Cup, Milan won CL, Cannavaro won world player of the year as well as FIF Pro player of the year and Totti won the golden boot. Not a bad list of achievements there. Looks alot better than having teams in Semi-finals but still not winning anything..no doubt the quality of Serie A has declined but we can proud of our league as Badass said. We dont have idiots coming in buying our clubs for the hell of it, and there isnt too many foreigners, which points to a good future for the Azzurri. England has struggled on the International stage for many years, and IMO will just get worse. It is no surprise that Italian Football has dominated the scene for a long time, and will continue to do so. Now its just time for the Azzurri to carry on with their success, so we can rule both club and International football.

My point is that you start accepting that English club football in recent years is stronger and more succesful no matter how many foreigners they have and you should start acknowledging it, not ignoring it and be totally biased like Badass_Devil.

Azzurri domination on iternational stage? They haven´t won shit since 1982. For 24 years they haven´t nothing, 0 trophies, the domination was between Brazil and France, so what the hell are you talking about? Get your facts straight and look beyond your obvious Italian bias.

In the last 15 years Italians have been known more by their flopping than success. They haven´t won a single World Cup from 1982 until 2006 and flopped on WC 1998 and 2002 and they certainly flopped on EURO 1992, 1996 and 2004.

So, take that bias and shove it up you mouth and accept that EPL is superior to Serie A.

 

[Marc]

I'll agree with people telling Mark to go watch the EPL if he thinks Serie A is a shitty league. He even shits on his beloved France's Ligue 1 for some weird reason, and frankly I don't know why he gloryhunts for France anyway. He's probably just pissed off Italy won the World Cup. These people who continuously shit on their club's league are just as bad as those who suck the cocks of their favorite league. Get the hell out and righteously gloryhunt somewhere else.

You´ll agree with everyone who has different opinion from me, even if you are wrong, which you are. You are as dumb as that.

When people run out of arguments then they tell you to go watch another league or go support Inter. Morons.

 

[sateeh]

I wonder when it will be time to panic. We have played 3 matches so far against a Newcastle side that are not going anywhere in the premiership and we conceded an early goal albeit a dubious penalty but still lost 2-0. Excuse: They are ahead of us in fitness.

Then we went to hamburg and got beat 1-0 to a side that should have been relegated from the Bundesliga last season but managed to survive. Excuse: they are ahead of us in preparations. Then we go to Sunderland and lose a goal in the first 5 minutes, and only manage to draw 1-1 with a side that has just come from the championship but again the excuse is we are behind in fitness.

1 goal against 3 pretty average sides, fitness or not is not good enough.
But it seems as long as Inter is losing too, everything is okay. do not even start to compare juventus situation with Inter's as we are not in the same boat. It is okay for them to lose as they know their team.

It is not okay for a new era with players and managers to continually lose against ordinary sides as it does not breed confidence. I am not even seeing any kind of pattern in our game.

Someone even said we are entertaining. Entertaining? How? Salihamidic had a nightmare on the right hand side against Sunderland. Nocerino whom, I was led to belive is a central midfielder of the spoiling mode did better than him on the right.

All the games I have seen Tiago has been crap and Almiron was bad against Sunderland, i don't know what game you guys were watching. They did not look unfit to me just not good enough but hopefully its a 1 off

Nedved was good against sunderland, Dp was way too slow and indecisive but thats more fitness than anything. Iaquinta is lively but decision making is not his forte as yet. Trez was lively to and with sharpness, he would get better.

Chiellini and palladino seem up for it and I am still not sure why Palladino is not starting instead of Iaquinta unless of cos Iaquinta is a definite starter for us next season.

Defence, now that is a big joke at the moment as the right back situation is a mess, Grygera does not seem like a centreback but I was impressed with Milinaro, goal apart. Andrade was okay but nothing to be particularly pleased about. Buffon is in for along season if we do not make alterations at the back.


Just my 2 cents but we need reinforcements, fitness or not, our midfield is not seriea material, well not if you want to qualify for CL, we need 1 0r 2 players in there as we pale quite badly compared to what Inter, Roma, Milan and perhaps Fiorentina can boast of.

Defence, well you don't need to be Einstein to work out that we need a right back and perhaps andother centre back

P.s What exactly is the plan for Leggrottaglie and Boumsong as they do not seem to be getting a chance at all?

Agree with everything. Let me piggyback this idea:

People love to make excuses when we lose because we are too proud to just accept defeat. If we just look at the way the team has performed in the three games, results aside, we look poor in the exact same places we thought we would be coming into the transfer period. Salihamidzic was a good pickup, because he is a versatile backup. Grygera was good because he is a better RB than Zebina and could fill a void at CB if needed. Tiago and Almiron are both good players, but I questioned why we needed both of them. Iaquinta is a good backup and that is it.

Basically. This team has 5 players. DP, Nedved, Camo, Trez and Buffon. Everybody else is just trying to fit in here. That is not good. That means that Ranieri has not done his job. He has had plenty of time to pick a formation and mold the players into his style. The problem is... he hasn't molded anything. He is confused and IMO he is making horrible lineup descisions.

Grygera is our best RB. He is a very good RB. He is an average CB. WHY is he playing CB??? I would rather start Chiellini, Criscito, or even Boumsong just to get this guy out at RB. He is NOT a good CB, and not nearly as effective at CB as he is at RB. Zebina is a backup at best. The guy's best season was in Serie B and so many forgot how much he actually stinks. STOP starting him because he says nice things about the club.

I have faith in Molinaro. He did good things for Siena last year. Chiellini is a better LB IMO, but his potential at LB is, IMO maxed out. I would love to see Chiellini play as a CB next to Andrade. Chiellini is powerful, combative and great in the air. He would compliment Andrade perfectly. Criscito is NOT an LB. I don't want to see another good CB prospect thrown out to the wing prematurely. He has so much potential inside, it would be a shame to waste it.

Tiago and Almiron.... both good players. Both similar players, yes Andy, they are similar in respect to what they offer us, or don't offer us I guess. That is good defence. We NEED a destroyer out there badly. With this awful defense, and Ranieri's lack of defensive prowess, we need someone to help out. We have a very good strike force with Trez, DP, Nedved and Camo. We don't need to throw more attackers out there. It is overkill. Especially if we have Almiron or Tiago supporting them. It is pointless and a waste. Nocerino has been playing very well. He is skilled for a DM and doesn't just have cement boots. PLEASE play either him, or the experienced Zanetti in front of our very average defense.

A trident attack is cute, and a couple versions of it will work. Whether we use it or not, we need to settle on a starting 11. I think that this roster has a clear and undeniable gap between 11 starters and 12 backups. I don't think there is any question who can play where and whom should be starting over whom. Ranieri is clearly uncertain and clearly did not do his homework like he should have. We aren't a deep team. It shouldn't be this hard to send 11 of our best players out there.

New Castle, Hamburg, Sunderland. I am well aware of where we have come from and what the clubs situation is. But there is NO excuse for the poor performances we have put out in each of these games. We can miss the net all we want, but we should NEVER have let half of these goals in. I see a philosophical problem with Ranieri's tactics and our roster. I am very concerned as we approach the season that we are NOT going to be performing as well as we should be. What blind faith must I have in order to make me not think Ranieri is an idiot? I do not see any logic in his formation picking and his lineups. NONE. We have learned little about our new players and like Ranieri, I have no idea how we are going to lineup. I am pretty sure he is changing the identity of the club by going to an attacking format, but I really think it will hurt us more than it will help us.

I liked DD. I liked Capello. I loved Lippi. But, I can honestly say that the hiring of Ranieri is not something I can get behind. He scares me, he is making poor decisions and our team is severely underachieving. The worst part is... he is making excuses and playing it down. They may be old, but we still have DP and Nedved, we still have Camo and Trezeguet and we still have Buffon. We need to cover up our weakness and rely on our great players. Right now, we are just over-emphasising our strength and letting our weakness out there for everyone to see. We are lucky Buffon is as good as he is, because if we had any other keeper, we would have had it much worse.

I am VERY concerned about 2007-2008. This is a very important year.

sadly i didn't see any of the games so thanks for this explanation of the team's situation. For me its still not time for panic but a bit of concern is creeping into me as the team should be playing better by every game, however that is just partially the case.

A cause for concern is like you said about Grygera and that he should not be playing in the CB but on the right . Also Boumsong should've been given the chance next Andrade. Grygera is obviously not the best option, then why not try boumsong there.

Ranieri will need to have a clear direction for his squad, the players need to be playing in their best positions. A consistent formation will need to be established just to give this team a bit continuity and gel it up a bit.For now I don't care what it is but we need something to gel the team up a bit and then hopefully the results will follow to raise the confidence.

One thing that really annoyed me is the bolded part in Denco's post, where everyone here was happy that Inter lost against Villa but our team didn't play as it should be. Again i hope the management are thinking in the same way.

anyway hopefully Ranieri would surprise us

 

[Bjerknes]

You´ll agree with everyone who has different opinion from me, even if you are wrong, which you are. You are as dumb as that.

When people run out of arguments then they tell you to go watch another league or go support Inter. Morons.

I've already said the EPL is club by club the best league in the world. I'm just tired of little shits like you degrading your own club's league and your club's nation, even to the extent of supporting France just to let your rage out. And where the hell does this dislike for Italy come from anyway? Whether you like it or not, Juventus is Italian and if you carry so much hate for the league and Italy, go support someone else. It's really disturbing and pathetic little shits such as yourself remind me of the EPL fans that state English Football is the greatest.

 

[Marc]

I've already said the EPL is club by club the best league in the world. I'm just tired of little shits like you degrading your own club's league and your club's nation, even to the extent of supporting France just to let your rage out. And where the hell does this dislike for Italy come from anyway? Whether you like it or not, Juventus is Italian and if you carry so much hate for the league and Italy, go support someone else. It's really disturbing and pathetic little shits such as yourself remind me of the EPL fans that state English Football is the greatest.

Excuse me but why can´t I be objective and accept theat currently EPL is greater than Serie A? Serie A has better (or should I say the best) history but currently it is far from EPL and Primera Liga and that is a FACT. Accept it like I did.

One more thing: Don´t call me a glory hunter because I have been supporting France since 1995 when they weren´t great yet, so shut the fuck up and don´t doubt my love for Juventus.

 

[Bjerknes]

Excuse me but why can´t I be objective and accept theat currently EPL is greater than Serie A? Serie A has better (or should I say the best) history but currently it is far from EPL and Primera Liga and that is a FACT. Accept it like I did.

Can you read? I just said the EPL is the greater league right now. So yeah, Bubba, if I can say it, you can as well.

But you have stated that the Serie A is a shitty league when it's a top three league in the world. Do you really hate the Serie A so much that you call it a shitty league?

One more thing: Don´t call me a glory hunter because I have been supporting France since 1995 when they weren´t great yet, so shut the fuck up and don´t doubt my love for Juventus.

Why do you support France anyway? You're supposedly Croatian, so it doesn't make any sense. And I will doubt your love for Juventus because you continuously spout hate for Italy and Italian fans. What on earth is your problem? You're a walking hypocrite.

 

[Marc]

Why do you support Italy? You´re American. Does that make any sense?

P.S. Serie A is not a shitty league. I have already stated it is my favourite league obviously but I hate how weak it is becoming. Soon it will be like Bundesliga.

 

[fender06]

who fucking cares EPL is greater than Serie A?
i only know Italy is far greater than England

 

[sateeh]

Why do you support Italy? You´re American. Does that make any sense?

P.S. Serie A is not a shitty league. I have already stated it is my favourite league obviously but I hate how weak it is becoming. Soon it will be like Bundesliga.

Everyone has his preference and the Bundesliga is a very good league, its not as commercial as the other ones and thats why the teams there are so far behind the other european teams.

I dont think it will ever be like the Bundesliga because simply the money is there to spend unlike the Bundesliga.