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Hustini said:
As many times as I have seen him fly into a mistimed challenged and failed resulting in lost possession, a foul, a counter, etc...he is hardly calm.
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Come on, hotness. No one said he is actually good at what he does, but how can you think he is not calm?

Mistimed challenges, fouls, whatever don't have anything to do with a player being calm or not imo.
 

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JuveJay said:
That's why he has gone to another club. When is the time right? Not right now, when we have the best defensive record in the league and are unbeaten. Team first, players second.

I think you missed the point that I agree with the ideal, but we probably disagree how often young players should be involved with this Juventus. It's an idealistic approach, but young players make mistakes all the time simply because they don't have that maturity and knowledge to know how to deal with all situations, particularly pressure ones. Take a look at Savic at Man City. Sure, he has good attributes but he is making elementary mistakes all the time, costing goals and potentially points. So where do you draw the line? 1, 3, 5, 11 young players? Considering where Juventus have come from the last two seasons (7th, 7th), it is to be expected that we go for ready made players. And it's working. We missed the boat in 06-07 to blood several young players, we aren't an Udinese who can afford to let young players play for 2-3 seasons and make their mistakes here, let them do it and grow elsewhere.

Man Utd have had Ferguson for 25 years, we don't have that winning mentality, total focus on young players and record to fall back on. He may also not win anything this year with the kids he has. The experienced players continually do the business. If you took another manager and gave them Fergie's current team they would be an inferior unit.

As for Chelsea, have a chat to some of their fans, it has become a running joke how they don't see any of the 'wonderkid' players come through their academy.

For all his potential and attributes, I'm pretty certain we wouldn't be unbeaten or top of the league if Sorensen played all of Bonucci's games this season. Sorensen can be a cracking player but he has a good opportunity now to play more and iron out mistakes somewhere where they count less.

As for Bonucci, he's a player with some good attributes (confidence, calmness, aerial strength), and some bad ones (body positioning, penchant for aimless long passes, lack of pace). His calmness shouldn't be underestimated simply because of his bad attributes, nor should our defensive record. Still, I'd prefer someone else long term, and right now it isn't Sorensen.
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You have valid points, but your argument can't beat a debate when it comes to players like Giovinco who did great whenever he got his chance and hell, even Sorensen, who was very good as a RB even if it wasn't his position. And like I said, most of the players that get loaned out in Italy are warming bench yet again, despite of that team being Siena, Lecce or now Bologna. It's not like Sorensen was making mistakes we're seeing from Savic, this lad was rather good. Sure, he made some mistakes, but so did this experienced Chiellini for instance. And grow... we're not letting them go, we're destroying them most of the time. Who was loaned out and recalled, while being great after that spell? Nobody so far. It's up to a team to develop a player. Best example is Giovinco. I think he would've been at least twice the player he is now, if we kept and played him. I'm not saying we should field youth all the time, it's hard to get Marrone in for Pirlo, but there's no reason not to let him play sometimes, even as a sub. Milan has developed Pato right from the start, Palermo did it with Pastore, Milan did it with T.Silva, and Roma is doing the same with Lamela now. I mentioned it's retarded because we let Sorensen go, who was good and it was a horrible timing. Now we're chasing Caceres who's rather expensive to be a sub while that spot could've been covered with the blond guy who proved his talent on many occasions. We're rather throwing money away. There's no good point to make and state that Bonucci is more stable than Sorensen, because Bonucci has made tens of huge mistakes this season. He's average and very shaky part of our defense.

I just mentioned those names because it's the first thing that popped my head. Most of the club do let young players get their chance and that was my main point. When I said Chelsea I only had Sturridge on my mind but that doesn't even matter, just an example.
 
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Dule90 said:
You have valid points, but your argument can't beat a debate when it comes to players like Giovinco who did great whenever he got his chance and hell, even Sorensen, who was very good as a RB even if it wasn't his position. And like I said, most of the players that get loaned out in Italy are warming bench yet again, despite of that team being Siena, Lecce or now Bologna. It's not like Sorensen was making mistakes we're seeing from Savic, this lad was rather good. Sure, he made some mistakes, but so did this experienced Chiellini for instance. And grow... we're not letting them go, we're destroying them most of the time. Who was loaned out and recalled, while being great after that spell? Nobody so far. It's up to a team to develop a player. Best example is Giovinco. I think he would've been at least twice the player he is now, if we kept and played him. I'm not saying we should field youth all the time, it's hard to get Marrone in for Pirlo, but there's no reason not to let him play sometimes, even as a sub. Milan has developed Pato right from the start, Palermo did it with Pastore, Milan did it with T.Silva, and Roma is doing the same with Lamela now. I mentioned it's retarded because we let Sorensen go, who was good and it was a horrible timing. Now we're chasing Caceres who's rather expensive to be a sub while that spot could've been covered with the blond guy who proved his talent on many occasions. We're rather throwing money away. There's no good point to make and state that Bonucci is more stable than Sorensen, because Bonucci has made tens of huge mistakes this season. He's average and very shaky part of our defense.

I just mentioned those names because it's the first thing that popped my head. Most of the club do let young players get their chance and that was my main point. When I said Chelsea I only had Sturridge on my mind but that doesn't even matter, just an example.
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Buck Fuddy said:
Bonucci is always very calm & confident. Too much so even.

And considering his many shortcomings, he doesn't really have any reason to be calm in the first place. But he is, for some reason. Which is currently his biggest plus and has (almost) saved him & us a number of times.
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of course that he is calm and confident knowing that no matter how hard he will suck, he will be a starter, because he is too Italian and expensive not to... (unlike Sorensen)
And for every time his lack of urgency helped us, we also conceded a dangerous mistakes that sometimes got converted to point losing goals.
JuveJay said:
That's why he has gone to another club. When is the time right? Not right now, when we have the best defensive record in the league and are unbeaten. Team first, players second.
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If we were putting the team over player, we should have kept Sorensen for depth, he is easily is our best alternative for both the RB and CB position.
Now we are risking a great deal, if any of CBs or Licht gets injured/suspended.
 
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I'm not going to talk further about Giovinco, precisely because I've already said numerous times he didn't do great 'every time he played', in my opinion. Plus, you can't compare the players as they are completely different in role, position and style. Giovinco makes a mistake, big deal, he'll have another dribble, shot or cross.

Saying that Sorensen didn't make mistakes is also incorrect, not least because he was a kid playing at right back for virtually all of his Juve appearances when he is really a centre back. He got caught out of position plenty of times, which is natural.
 
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Cronios said:
If we were putting the team over player, we should have kept Sorensen for depth, he is easily is our best alternative for both the RB and CB position.
Now we are risking a great deal, if any of CBs or Licht gets injured/suspended.
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Unless we bring someone else in, of course. Sorensen wasn't playing, at all.
 
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