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Fred

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Oct 2, 2003
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I wonder how the press will react to del piero diving. He lost some respect in my eyes.
He didn't lose any respect in my eyes. All players dive, it just varies from player to player, DP is one of the players that rarely dives. Its just that people here make him to be some sort of Ghandi, reality check DP dives too.
 

Elvin

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Nov 25, 2005
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He didn't lose any respect in my eyes. All players dive, it just varies from player to player, DP is one of the players that rarely dives. Its just that people here make him to be some sort of Ghandi, reality check DP dives too.
Oh no no, reality check to you Freddo: he didn't dive, he tripped.

Anyway, always wanted to ask you -- how does a Middle Eastern guy like you end up with the name Fred? It's your real name?
 

Fred

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Oct 2, 2003
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Eℓvin;2357159 said:
Oh no no, reality check to you Freddo: he didn't dive, he tripped.

Anyway, always wanted to ask you -- how does a Middle Eastern guy like you end up with the name Fred? It's your real name?
come on man, you really thought my name was Fred?? :D

I mean if i was a middle eastern christian ok, i could have had a name like that. No, my name is the most common name in the world, ya exactly you guessed it.
 

Alen

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Apr 2, 2007
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Eℓvin;2357159 said:
Oh no no, reality check to you Freddo: he didn't dive, he tripped.
This

Fred, I'm always trying to be fair and i'm a huge critic of everything I don't like about the team (or people) that I love, but I seriously think that Del Piero didn't dive there but he tripped.

Now it's another story if you blame him for not admitting that he tripped and celebrating the goal, but for the incident itself, I believe he tripped off his own feet.
 

Elvin

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Nov 25, 2005
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come on man, you really thought my name was Fred?? :D

I mean if i was a middle eastern christian ok, i could have had a name like that. No, my name is the most common name in the world, ya exactly you guessed it.
I dunno man, it could've been a variation of smth like Farid..

But nice to meet you, Mohamed :D
 

Elvin

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Nov 25, 2005
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This

Fred, I'm always trying to be fair and i'm a huge critic of everything I don't like about the team (or people) that I love, but I seriously think that Del Piero didn't dive there but he tripped.

Now it's another story if you blame him for not admitting that he tripped and celebrating the goal, but for the incident itself, I believe he tripped off his own feet.
Believe it or not, I even have an explanation for that: see DP actually believed that he did get fouled, and since he believes it, it doesn't count as a lie :D
 

Fred

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Oct 2, 2003
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This

Fred, I'm always trying to be fair and i'm a huge critic of everything I don't like about the team (or people) that I love, but I seriously think that Del Piero didn't dive there but he tripped.

Now it's another story if you blame him for not admitting that he tripped and celebrating the goal, but for the incident itself, I believe he tripped off his own feet.
Of course he's going to celebrate, what else is he supposed to do after he scores a goal. No i don't blame him for celebrating the goal.

I'm not going to sit on a moral high horse and say he shouldn't dive, the only ones i call out for diving are serial divers like Ronaldo and Drogba. Other than that, diving has become a fact of life in football, as long as one does not overdo it, you have to be realistic and accept it.

Now like i said in the DP thread, the angle of the camera might not have shown the whole story, so i won't say that i am certain he dived. But i am finding a hard time believing that he tripped on his own foot.

It doesn't help that he got two soft penalties in the space of 3 weeks. Miraculously he had no fault in either penalty.
 

Alen

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Apr 2, 2007
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As for these two penalties we got in the last 3 matches, I'm not even sure if it can be categorized as the refs helping the big teams.
I think it's more about Del Piero than Juve. Just look at the penalty we got against Lazio. Amauri fell like that, missing the ball, at least 20 times this season and he never won us a penalty. Before Del Piero came back from injury, we won only 1 penalty on more than 20 matches (Serie A+CL). Even now we don't play the ball in the box so we can't put ourselves in situations to win penalties, but Del Piero's reputation of an honest player and Italian legend won us those penalties.
Even if he played for Sampdoria he would have been given these penalties.
 

Fred

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Oct 2, 2003
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As for these two penalties we got in the last 3 matches, I'm not even sure if it can be categorized as the refs helping the big teams.
I think it's more about Del Piero than Juve. Just look at the penalty we got against Lazio. Amauri fell like that, missing the ball, at least 20 times this season and he never won us a penalty. Before Del Piero came back from injury, we won only 1 penalty on more than 20 matches (Serie A+CL). Even now we don't play the ball in the box so we can't put ourselves in situations to win penalties, but Del Piero's reputation of an honest player and Italian legend won us those penalties.
Even if he played for Sampdoria he would have been given these penalties.

Using the same logic, Kaka's reputation as a committed and ethical Christian is what won him most of his penalties last season. He never dived.
 

Alen

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Apr 2, 2007
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It doesn't help that he got two soft penalties in the space of 3 weeks. Miraculously he had no fault in either penalty.
Man, even if you can argue about today's penalty, you can't do it about the Lazio one. That was a sheer stupidity by the ref. Del Piero didn't even try to win a penalty. He tried to shoot the ball, he missed it, he lost balance and he fell. Even he was surprised that the referee gave a penalty for that. Del Piero didn't even try to win a penalty in that situation, he wasn't even touched and yet he won a penalty.
Like I said, it's his reputation that won Juve those penalties.
 

Elvin

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Nov 25, 2005
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Using the same logic, Kaka's reputation as a committed and ethical Christian is what won him most of his penalties last season. He never dived.
You can't possibly compare the two, there are at least 3 occasions where everyone saw Kaka diving, I mean without a doubt, and in one of his dives I remember him getting up and embarrassedly smiling at the ref :D

But here we are, debating whether DP dives or no.
 

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