[FML] Serie A 2009/2010 (44 Viewers)

[Azzurri7]

Snoop,

Zlatan did not respect our badge. That guy was always screwing around, walking back onsides, doing whatever he pleased. He was an assclown for us.

God, he was even booed when we played Arsenal in CL, Messina, and another team I remember. Booed when he even played in a Juventus shirt.

 

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[Snoop]

We were never racist, we never had a background or history with racism.

Zlatan was called Zingaro for obvious reasons and our fans had all the rights to call him Zingaro or even more. And don't even think he defended Juve, he defended his two titles that he won with us. He never defended the Club but he defended his own reputation with the two titles that we won.

On a serious note, it's funny how when our fans were calling Zlatan Zingaro couple of members got pissed but it's alright for them to make fun of Prophet and Islam. Contradiction at it's best.


As for Balotelli, I remember pretty well why he got booed and that's not because of his skin color, we never booed a black player, Balotelli was booed because he's one arrogant aka Ibra prick. He asked for it and he got it. But headlines after the match wasn't too nice, I'm sure white Balotelli was going to booed or Mexican or Arab Balotelli was going to be booed too.

That's not the same. Islam is religion, a belief, a way to live your life, but you know calling Zingaro/gypsy is a racist insult.

And as for the Islam part, everybody knows here that I am kidding with Muslims and I am not insulting them at all, didn't see anyone tell me that.

 

[Alen]

He was called "Negro di merda"

P.S: In English it's "Shitty nigger".

How is that not racist?

 

[Azzurri7]

That's not the same. Islam is religion, a belief, a way to live your life, but you know calling Zingaro/gypsy is a racist insult.

And as for the Islam part, everybody knows here that I am kidding with Muslims and I am not insulting them at all, didn't see anyone tell me that.

Mesh 3annak, the members know themselves, you weren't here when the arguments took place.

It's not exactly the same but I'm talking about the concept. If they don't respect a religion and a prophet but make fun when you got Millions of people believing in this thing then he/she shouldn't have the right to tell what's racist and what's not.

 

[Snoop]

Snoop,

Zlatan did not respect our badge. That guy was always screwing around, walking back onsides, doing whatever he pleased. He was an assclown for us.

He won awards for his first season performance, as for the second year, yes he wasn't good, but you can't blame him entirely, if you remember good, I criticized him and Capello too at the second half of the second season. But this is not enough reason to hate an ex-Juve player, or specially wishing him death.

 

[Azzurri7]

He was called "Negro di merda"

P.S: In English it's "Shitty nigger".

How is that not racist?

Our players and mang denied that. Even Vieira said there were no racist insults.

 

[Bjerknes]

He won awards for his first season performance, as for the second year, yes he wasn't good, but you can't blame him entirely, if you remember good, I criticized him and Capello too at the second half of the second season. But this is not enough reason to hate an ex-Juve player, or specially wishing him death.

He's one of the most disgusting players on the face of the earth, snoop.

And as I recall, you always had his back, so it's not surprising you still do.

 

[Alen]

Apart from Seven, no-one here insulted Islam and Muhammed. If one doesn't believe in religion he can't pretend that he does and he can freely share his thoughts why he doesn't, even if there is danger that some religious people might take it as an insult (but imo, none of the religious people here, no matter Muslims, Christians, Jews, were/are stupid to take a healthy debate and a different opinion as an insult).

So tell us now who are the people who insulted Islam, when and how did they do it, and were at the same time against calling Zlatan a Zingaro.

 

[Alen]

Our players and mang denied that. Even Vieira said there were no racist insults.

There were "Negro di merda" chants. Nobody denied that. We were even banned for 1 match because the videos show "negro di merda" chants.

Yes, i admit that those chants might have been sang by some stupid kids who thought it's a cool thing to say, without being racist themselves.

But i also know that if you say "shitty nigger" to a black dude, he surely won't think that it's not racist, even if Martin Luther King himself tells the black guy that it's not a racist chant.

 

[Azzurri7]

I'm not here to re-open a religious arguments, I don't want to mention names because it wont finish and we will have another drama here. I'm aware of that and you should be aware of it. Also not that I really care but it's about logic and concepts, if one thinks it's alright to and there's nothing wrong with making fun of a prophet or a religion then he/she has no rights to say what's racist and what's not.

Now I'll have to run and it's good timing because I wouldn't want to continue in this debate.

 

[Buck Fuddy]

Well, you're saying he didn't perform last year and I think that's ignorant. 8 assists in 1300 minutes is sick, Gerrard and Cesc for example, who are considered one of the best midfielders out there had 10 assists each in a full season, that should give you a clear picture of what kind of player we have on the bench.

Could you please show me where I said he didn't perform?

Am I right in assuming you can't find that kind of post of mine, Suns?

 

[Snoop]

He's one of the most disgusting players on the face of the earth, snoop.

And as I recall, you always had his back, so it's not surprising you still do.

Sure, and I will always do. Because back then I believed he had huge potential, and that he should always start in the first eleven, but you guys were asking him to be benched! We saw what he did with Inter, and how expensive he was sold to one of the top clubs in Europe. Are they Zlatan cock-suckers like you guys used to call me or whoever thought like me? Fact is fact Andy. I still love Zidane too, even thou his departure was 100 times more painful. We have to respect players' professional decisions, and I still love Cannavaro just like the first day when he joined us. I don't hate players for these reasons..

 

[Snoop]

I'm not here to re-open a religious arguments, I don't want to mention names because it wont finish and we will have another drama here. I'm aware of that and you should be aware of it. Also not that I really care but it's about logic and concepts, if one thinks it's alright to and there's nothing wrong with making fun of a prophet or a religion then he/she has no rights to say what's racist and what's not.

Now I'll have to run and it's good timing because I wouldn't want to continue in this debate.

Rab I would agree with you if there were direct insults to Muslims or Christians, if anyone wished them to die or insulted them or saw them as low lives. But making fun of religion or prophets is not the same at all. Like I said these are beliefs, you choose to believe whatever you want to, but you don't choose to be a black, gypsy, white, Bosnian or Italian, know what I mean?

 

[Bozi]

Well, Seba has never failed to show us his talent. Last season he was amazing everytime he was given the chance to play and provided so many assists during the short time of minutes he was given. During the U21 championship he was one of the stars of the tournament. I can't really see Ciro holding back Seba in the future.

That's absurdity. Perhaps not this season, but in the future Giovinco certainly could command a starting role once Trezeguet leaves and Del Piero is too old. He would just start next to Diego and behind Amauri or Yak or whomever.

I can see people starting to turn on Giovinco already because we have Diego, and I find that thoroughly pathetic.

in all hjonesty the only way Seba is gonna be a regular this year,or next,is if Delpie either gets injured or loses form. we will have to find a way to accomodate him one day but i am pretty certain it will be at the expense of Del Piero and tbh, i am looking forward to some hilarious posts when ALex finds himself on teh bench and the guys who were shouting for Seba's inclusion suddenly cry foul

nothing says victory like two midgets and a rapist

ZING

 

[KB824]

Sure, and I will always do. Because back then I believed he had huge potential, and that he should always start in the first eleven, but you guys were asking him to be benched! We saw what he did with Inter, and how expensive he was sold to one of the top clubs in Europe. Are they Zlatan cock-suckers like you guys used to call me or whoever thought like me? Fact is fact Andy. I still love Zidane too, even thou his departure was 100 times more painful. We have to respect players' professional decisions, and I still love Cannavaro just like the first day when he joined us. I don't hate players for these reasons..

I'm usually not one to piggyback on someone else's opinions, but Snoop I agree with you on this in regards to Ibra. He should have had a place in the starting lineup, no matter what. If it meant a change in formation, so be it. They reshuffled everything for Diego this year, they should have done the same with Ibra. Now, obviously what took place afterwards when he left after the scandal would probably have not changed anything. He was as good as gone. He even said it himself that the scandal had little to do with him leaving, it was "other issues". Was it money? Was it the lack of first team football? Who knows. He didn't say. But if its so easy for people to take Zanetti and others at their word once they leave, then why shouldn't Ibra be given the same benefit of the doubt?

Because he was cocky and confident? Because he was a direct threat to Del Piero's playing time?

 

[Lawnchair Bes]

they all got their panties in a bunch because zlatan got dp spot, that was all

 

[Suns]

Am I right in assuming you can't find that kind of post of mine, Suns?

I just thought you concentrated on the few games he didn't perform last season. Every player has an off game sometimes but not every player has 8 assists in 1300 minutes.

 

[KB824]

they all got their panties in a bunch because zlatan got dp spot, that was all

Bingo, and the "No one is bigger than the club" mantra doesn't apply it seems, when it comes to certain players

 

[Buck Fuddy]

I just thought you concentrated on the few games he didn't perform last season. Every player has an off game sometimes but not every player has 8 assists in 1300 minutes.

Thanks for your reply man

 

[Snoop]

I'm usually not one to piggyback on someone else's opinions, but Snoop I agree with you on this in regards to Ibra. He should have had a place in the starting lineup, no matter what. If it meant a change in formation, so be it. They reshuffled everything for Diego this year, they should have done the same with Ibra. Now, obviously what took place afterwards when he left after the scandal would probably have not changed anything. He was as good as gone. He even said it himself that the scandal had little to do with him leaving, it was "other issues". Was it money? Was it the lack of first team football? Who knows. He didn't say. But if its so easy for people to take Zanetti and others at their word once they leave, then why shouldn't Ibra be given the same benefit of the doubt?

Because he was cocky and confident? Because he was a direct threat to Del Piero's playing time?

It was probably money or playing in Serie B! Not every player would accept that, some would and we appreciate that a lot, but we can't expect everyone to do the same, we can't blame them neither. They are professionals, they are not passionate Juve fans like us. Zlatan left this club to go closer to the top, and now he is in Barcelona, is that sin to aim that? no!

But I believe you last line explains it all, why some of our fans hate him! Being cocky and being a threat to Del Piero's playing time! Both are true! I hate his character, but he is a top player, we can't deny that.