FML, Champions League 2009/2010 FML (40 Viewers)

[Fred]

If I was to build a team from scratch, they would be a defensive counter attacking team.

That does not mean I believe teams who don't have the players to play like that should try to.

I'm not going to tell Barca to sit back and defend, though I think they would be better if they let the opposition have the ball a little more as it would allow them more counter attacking chances.

Counter attacking isn't even on the menu for Barcelona, for me that is one of their biggest deficiencies, even when they get the ball of the opposition and have a chance to counter, their build up is so slow that any chance of a counter is scuppered.

 

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[king Ale]

Who would have played a better game?

Please don't say Ronaldo, because Ronaldo has played worse games against teams who have man marked him with only one player and not three.

I won't mention names but saying that no one would have played better than Messi is so wrong.

The difference between us is that you are obsessed with possession football. I am not interested in having the ball just for the sake of it.

It was a point in the game that Sneijder lost the ball and Barca could have made the best out of it with a smart counterattack. They could have passed a long ball to Alves or Messi but instead they went on passing short passes giving needed time to Sneijder, Cambiasso and Eto'o to come back.

 

[Bjerknes]

Counter attacking isn't even on the menu for Barcelona, for me that is one of their biggest deficiencies, even when they get the ball of the opposition and have a chance to counter, their build up is so slow that any chance of a counter is scuppered.

Yeah, I wouldn't have my team play so slowly, especially after we win the ball in midfield.

Working the ball out of the back that way is fine though. Much better than blasting the ball up the pitch like we do.

 

[Fred]

I won't mention names but saying that no one would have played better than Messi is so wrong.



It was a point in the game that Sneijder lost the ball and Barca could have made the best out of it with a smart counterattack. They could have passed a long ball to Alves or Messi but instead they went on passing short passes giving needed time to Sneijder, Cambiasso and Eto'o to come back.

Thats because you can't.

As for the second statement, so true,

 

[Bjerknes]

I won't mention names but saying that no one would have played better than Messi is so wrong.

I'm having trouble figuring out which players you mean.

 

[Nicholas]

Barca did nothing wrong tonight in their play. All they needed to do was up the tempo.

 

[Fred]

Yeah, I wouldn't have my team play so slowly, especially after we win the ball in midfield.

Working the ball out of the back that way is fine though. Much better than blasting the ball up the pitch like we do.

Exactly, slow patient build up when starting an attack is fine, but after winning the ball, they shouldn't be so obsessed with playing it simple and just keeping the ball, they should try and counter attack much more.

 

[Red]

Counter attacking isn't even on the menu for Barcelona, for me that is one of their biggest deficiencies, even when they get the ball of the opposition and have a chance to counter, their build up is so slow that any chance of a counter is scuppered.

True.

It was a point in the game that Sneijder lost the ball and Barca could have made the best out of it with a smart counterattack. They could have passed a long ball to Alves or Messi but instead they went on passing short passes giving needed time to Sneijder, Cambiasso and Eto'o to come back.

It happened a couple of times.

The main one I noticed was in the second hald when Inter had four or five players ahead of the ball and lost it high up the pitch. Then (The Great) Xavi decided to play a couple of sideways one-twos with Alves when he needed to move the ball forward fast.

I thought Xavi was really poor in the two games. A player as good as he is meant to be shouldn't be baffled by facing a team sitting deep. They needed to move the ball fast from side to side to drag Inter out of shape and then look for the spaces that would inevitably open up.

Instead they spend virtually the whole game strolling around with the ball in front of Inter without ever looking like getting round the sides or in behind to get into a position to hurt Inter.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

I mean at least in the squad, just an incredible option to have as a backup for Mascherano (or the reverse). I think his technique is good, he's not hopeless when making a pass from a variety of ranges.

i agree with you, but my opinion matters as much as yours

 

[GordoDeCentral]

oh and reading these past few pages i guess no player in the galaxy can score against those mighty south-american national team defenses either


Messi is a tremendous talent and on track to being a great player, but the crazy comparisons needed a reality check...

 

[j0ker]

I hate Inter more than everything in my life. It was a nightmare seeing their fans celebrating in the street. Now I have to support Bayern.

And YES I don't give a shit about "the good for Italian football".

 

[Bjerknes]

There are times on this forum when I question whether folks rate any players at all.

Besides their favorites, of course.

 

[king Ale]

Thats because you can't.

No of course not. If I mention a name you would sure find an example in which that player had an awful game and this argument will never end (and you know what, Messi IS better than all of them but it doesn't mean that no player can have a better performance than him in certain games). All I'm saying is that such a bad performance is not difficult to be surpassed by other players, especially those who are not meant to be the Messiah of their teams. Those who all the ways to score a goal are not passing through their feet.

 

[Nicholas]

There are times on this forum when I question whether folks rate any players at all.

Besides their favorites, of course.

It goes from one extreme to the other.

 

[Nicholas]

Ronaldo was alot more effective against Inter last year Fred.

 

[Fred]

No of course not. If I mention a name you would sure find an example in which that player had an awful game and this argument will never end. All I'm saying is that such a bad performance is not difficult to be surpassed by other players, especially those who are not meant to be the Messiah of their teams. Those who all the ways to score a goal are not passing through their feet.

or games, of course, just proves my point that you can't name any player who would have done better.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

There are times on this forum when I question whether folks rate any players at all.

Besides their favorites, of course.

it took you this long to realize that every player on juventuz is overrated

 

[Yamen]

ironically, Ibra joined barce to fulfil his dream of winning CL

 

[Fred]

Ronaldo was alot more effective against Inter last year Fred.

Inter did not play ultra defensive football against Man Utd though. I remember Ronaldo having a really good game against Inter true, but like i said, they did not pay as much attention to him as they did with Messi, and Inter were not the same team last season.

 

[Fred]

it took you this long to realize that every player on juventuz is overrated

or underrated, there is never any middle ground.