Five-match ban for Nedved (21 Viewers)

Marc

Softcore Juventino
Jul 14, 2006
21,649
#81
isha00 said:
Ah! Honesty and ethic! Do you really believe, especially after this summer, that honesty and ethic matther anything in Italian football? In Italian football all that always matthered was elbowing opponents not to be chocked by them. Mors tua vita mea.
The honesty and ethic our management is so serious in trying to show is nothing but damaging to the team. We are not respected and this is because we don't make our voice be heard. We simply go ahead and smile. Always. But, as Ale said a couple of years ago, "Bon, bon, te pasa per cojon", meaning that being too good and smiley will result in people thinking that they can do anything to you, cause you'll never react.
Have we ever reacted, since the old management left? *Our own lawyer* asked for a penalized B even though, as also Cobolli finally stated a couple of days ago, there weren't illicits. Not that there was the need to state it. The judge himself said that there aren't illicts proved, but they punished us this way because of a 'clima that didn't convince them fully'.
We sold our players to our future direct opponents, for God's sake! The same players that are making them win these days to the same opponents that sent us in B.
The club retired an appeal to Tar, even though they could have won it (the president of that court had implied over and over again he would have been more than happy to put Federcalcio in its place) and even though they had associations of Juventini that depended on that appeal, cause they had appealed themself 'ad adiuvandum'.
Why is tar so important? No, not just for the scudetti, but cause the club would have gotten a payback for the damages of this summer. Money, for crying out loud, money at the moment we don't have. There's even more: not appealing (to get 8 points back, let's not forget) we gave our approval to be called thieves and cheaters. That's what we did. We said ourselves we deserved punishment and this is exactly what we are getting.
We shouldn't also foget that Tar wasn't the only road we could take, to put everyone in their place, at least on a sportive/ethical point of view. There was, and still is, TAS, the European sportive court. Why aren't we appealing? Why? Because probably to the management (or better, to the owners) things are good the way they are. Surely they are good to those who, starting from this february, started buying and selling Juventus titles, obviously knowing things before they happened.
The Triade didn't react this way to the accusations over the years. They appealed and appealed and won, in the end. What would ha happened if they had given up?
The positive thing is that they still haven't given up and if one day we'll get what is ours back, it'll be thanks to Moggi and to those fans who still are fighting for their lady.

As for Nedved, this is the 6th year I know him as a Juventino and he can be aggressive all you want on the field, but outside he has always been a composed, respectful and responsible person. He never felt the right or the need to protest about a ref or against his own club. Never. Not even when he was given that yellow that made him loose the CL final he had dreamed about his whole life.
Until last season, in the interviews, when asked what was special about Juve, every player answered that here all they had to think about was playing, the club organized everything else and this made performing well and winning much more easier. Now it's not this way anymore. Now a player like Pavel, a Golden ball that accepted to remain in B, let's not forget, has to *ask* the club to defend him. He has to ask and has to bring matthers in his own hands. We are not talking about a spoiled brat here, but about a man -father of 2 children- who worked hard all his life to get what he wished.
And, let me underline this, the fine is not because he left the team without him for 5 matchdays, it's based on a ethical code. Ethical. Nedved is to be fined on his ethic after a punishment that is obviously too harsh itself.
Interesting is also that while Cobolli with one hand appeals, because he doesn't agree with the punishment, with the other he fines the player and lets it be known.


By the way, facts, verdicts, accusations, comments and interviews of experts are all all accessible in internet and have been over-analyzed in these months on many Juventini forums and juventine association's sites. The turnover of the Club is accessible too.
:tup: Jesus Christ, what is your IQ ? :D

I won´t disagree with you, since it is obvious you are living in Italy and you are probably more attached to the Club and know more about them than I ever will.

I´m just speechless, maybe I will come with a good answer another day.:D
 

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JCK

Biased
JCK
May 11, 2004
125,366
#82
Gill_juve said:
why is that?
Because had he been here, this thread would have been 10 pages instead of 5 and those extra would be Badass swearing at Inter and their conspiracies.
 

AngelaL

Jinx Minx
Aug 25, 2006
10,215
#84
ZAF3000 said:
This is absolutely rubbish.
For me the foul Nedved has done does not deserve a red card. Maybe a yellow (a second yellow that is but not a straight red), let alone his first yellow was not even worthy of a yellow (if I remmeber correctly).
Claiming that he has hit the ref on purpose is completely stupid. We all saw the match, if the ref was his "on purpose" we would have all seen it. Now the picture provided in this thread shows that neddy rushed into the ref and didn't intend to step on him.
I agree Zaf3000.
I know that a picture is 2-dimensional but in that 2nd one in Corvette's post, it looks to me that Pavel was not looking at the ref & was walking towards someone not in the picture, if that is so then farina has sidestepped into Pavel's path. That would make it his own fault that he got his foot stood on & that Pavel did so unintentionally.
From Dominic's you tube link (after watching it full screen) Pavel was going for the ball, & the foul was not deliberate - unlike the ones on him & Boum. The Genoa player was obviously making it look worse to get Pavel into trouble. (Everyone knows that if they roll around the ground that they are simulating injury).

Elisa, I agree 100%! The board have been lazy/negligent in their duty/responsibility to the club & its players & being honest & ethical is no excuse for this! It is farina who is dishonest & the board is being unethical by not supporting their staff against the injustice resulting from farina's lies. I know that you have to "give them time", but some results should have started to come through. In the words of Marcello Lippi: "They need their a***s kicked!" They should have immediately lodged a complaint against farina & should have backed Pavel & the others to the hilt!

It's a pity we couldn't show Pavel our support.
 

AzzurriGirl

Junior Member
Jul 23, 2006
191
#87
:tup: Elisa it is wonderful to see you here and posting again. Your voice was missed.

I agree totally with what you said in your long post. This Board has NO guts and they are overcompensating for the "alleged" wrongs done by past management. It always angered me that they said they would be happy and would accept relegation to Serie B. Why? Why accept punishment if you did nothing wrong...especially that your PLAYERS did absolutely nothing wrong. If there were questionable activity done by former management then so be it...they are former management and now you should state that they are gone and Juve belongs in Serie A along with the others.

Regarding Nedved...I watched the game and I did not see any intentional foul by him nor did I see him step deliberately on the ref's foot. Even in the pics it looks quite accidental. But what I did see was an OBVIOUS bias by farina against Juve. It was quite blatant even to my unknowledgeable eye. And Nedved had just been fouled by Genoa and farina ignored it.

But what makes me maddest of all is that Juve does not stand by their player who did nothing wrong. That is just totally unacceptable and plain wrong!!:tdown: And to fine him...that is unconscionable!:shocked2: I don't blame Nedved if he leaves and retires. This guy has chosen to stay with Juve in Serie B and has played his heart out for this team. And Cobolli FINES HIM?!! What an idiot. I am just soooooo angry right now.

Elisa...is there anything we fans can do to show our displeasure about this to the Juve Board? Maybe some kind of petition or letter that we can sign? My italian is not so good and I don't know if this Board reads English. I would like Neddy to know that he has the fans full support.
 

Respaul

Senior Member
Jul 14, 2002
4,734
#91
isha00 said:
Ah! Honesty and ethic! Do you really believe, especially after this summer, that honesty and ethic matther anything in Italian football? In Italian football all that always matthered was elbowing opponents not to be chocked by them. Mors tua vita mea.
The honesty and ethic our management is so serious in trying to show is nothing but damaging to the team. We are not respected and this is because we don't make our voice be heard. We simply go ahead and smile. Always. But, as Ale said a couple of years ago, "Bon, bon, te pasa per cojon", meaning that being too good and smiley will result in people thinking that they can do anything to you, cause you'll never react.
Have we ever reacted, since the old management left? *Our own lawyer* asked for a penalized B even though, as also Cobolli finally stated a couple of days ago, there weren't illicits. Not that there was the need to state it. The judge himself said that there aren't illicts proved, but they punished us this way because of a 'clima that didn't convince them fully'.
We sold our players to our future direct opponents, for God's sake! The same players that are making them win these days to the same opponents that sent us in B.
The club retired an appeal to Tar, even though they could have won it (the president of that court had implied over and over again he would have been more than happy to put Federcalcio in its place) and even though they had associations of Juventini that depended on that appeal, cause they had appealed themself 'ad adiuvandum'.
Why is tar so important? No, not just for the scudetti, but cause the club would have gotten a payback for the damages of this summer. Money, for crying out loud, money at the moment we don't have. There's even more: not appealing (to get 8 points back, let's not forget) we gave our approval to be called thieves and cheaters. That's what we did. We said ourselves we deserved punishment and this is exactly what we are getting.
We shouldn't also foget that Tar wasn't the only road we could take, to put everyone in their place, at least on a sportive/ethical point of view. There was, and still is, TAS, the European sportive court. Why aren't we appealing? Why? Because probably to the management (or better, to the owners) things are good the way they are. Surely they are good to those who, starting from this february, started buying and selling Juventus titles, obviously knowing things before they happened.
The Triade didn't react this way to the accusations over the years. They appealed and appealed and won, in the end. What would ha happened if they had given up?
The positive thing is that they still haven't given up and if one day we'll get what is ours back, it'll be thanks to Moggi and to those fans who still are fighting for their lady.

As for Nedved, this is the 6th year I know him as a Juventino and he can be aggressive all you want on the field, but outside he has always been a composed, respectful and responsible person. He never felt the right or the need to protest about a ref or against his own club. Never. Not even when he was given that yellow that made him loose the CL final he had dreamed about his whole life.
Until last season, in the interviews, when asked what was special about Juve, every player answered that here all they had to think about was playing, the club organized everything else and this made performing well and winning much more easier. Now it's not this way anymore. Now a player like Pavel, a Golden ball that accepted to remain in B, let's not forget, has to *ask* the club to defend him. He has to ask and has to bring matthers in his own hands. We are not talking about a spoiled brat here, but about a man -father of 2 children- who worked hard all his life to get what he wished.
And, let me underline this, the fine is not because he left the team without him for 5 matchdays, it's based on a ethical code. Ethical. Nedved is to be fined on his ethic after a punishment that is obviously too harsh itself.
Interesting is also that while Cobolli with one hand appeals, because he doesn't agree with the punishment, with the other he fines the player and lets it be known.


By the way, facts, verdicts, accusations, comments and interviews of experts are all all accessible in internet and have been over-analyzed in these months on many Juventini forums and juventine association's sites. The turnover of the Club is accessible too.
Lol...
 

AngelaL

Jinx Minx
Aug 25, 2006
10,215
#92
AzzurriGirl said:
:tup: Elisa it is wonderful to see you here and posting again. Your voice was missed. ......

Elisa...is there anything we fans can do to show our displeasure about this to the Juve Board? Maybe some kind of petition or letter that we can sign? My italian is not so good and I don't know if this Board reads English. I would like Neddy to know that he has the fans full support.
Nice idea AzzurriGirl, but does Neddy understand English well enough to understand our posts?? My Italian is virtually non existent, but I would like him to know that I support him. Perhaps some of our posts/opinions on the matter that are supportive of him?
As for this board, they are being paid, but are they doing any work?????? I doubt they would take any notice of us. They strike me as being very lazy/complacent.

Fliakis said:
incredidble. the bias...
:p What do you expect of a loyal Juventina! :D
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,314
#93
Respaul said:
TBH I think she gave a good summary of what we are able to read in the media the last few months. There are barely other conclusions left with the material at hand. Perhaps you do know more, but we certainly do not.
 

AzzurriGirl

Junior Member
Jul 23, 2006
191
#95
@AngelaL...just to clarify

When I said I don't know if this Board reads English I was speaking of the Juventus Board. If I wrote to them in English in support of Neddy would the Juve Board be able to read it?

I don't think Nedved speaks English but I don't really know.
 

AngelaL

Jinx Minx
Aug 25, 2006
10,215
#97
AzzurriGirl said:
@AngelaL...just to clarify

When I said I don't know if this Board reads English I was speaking of the Juventus Board. If I wrote to them in English in support of Neddy would the Juve Board be able to read it?

I don't think Nedved speaks English but I don't really know.
Yes, I meant the Juventus board too! I suppose they have someone who does in the company because they translate some things in Juventus.com, but IMHO the board does not seem interested in acting in support of Juventus (the club) nor it's team/staff.
 

ZAF3000

Senior Member
Feb 14, 2005
5,348
#98
isha00 said:
Ah! Honesty and ethic! Do you really believe, especially after this summer, that honesty and ethic matther anything in Italian football? In Italian football all that always matthered was elbowing opponents not to be chocked by them. Mors tua vita mea.
The honesty and ethic our management is so serious in trying to show is nothing but damaging to the team. We are not respected and this is because we don't make our voice be heard. We simply go ahead and smile. Always. But, as Ale said a couple of years ago, "Bon, bon, te pasa per cojon", meaning that being too good and smiley will result in people thinking that they can do anything to you, cause you'll never react.
Have we ever reacted, since the old management left? *Our own lawyer* asked for a penalized B even though, as also Cobolli finally stated a couple of days ago, there weren't illicits. Not that there was the need to state it. The judge himself said that there aren't illicts proved, but they punished us this way because of a 'clima that didn't convince them fully'.
We sold our players to our future direct opponents, for God's sake! The same players that are making them win these days to the same opponents that sent us in B.
The club retired an appeal to Tar, even though they could have won it (the president of that court had implied over and over again he would have been more than happy to put Federcalcio in its place) and even though they had associations of Juventini that depended on that appeal, cause they had appealed themself 'ad adiuvandum'.
Why is tar so important? No, not just for the scudetti, but cause the club would have gotten a payback for the damages of this summer. Money, for crying out loud, money at the moment we don't have. There's even more: not appealing (to get 8 points back, let's not forget) we gave our approval to be called thieves and cheaters. That's what we did. We said ourselves we deserved punishment and this is exactly what we are getting.
We shouldn't also foget that Tar wasn't the only road we could take, to put everyone in their place, at least on a sportive/ethical point of view. There was, and still is, TAS, the European sportive court. Why aren't we appealing? Why? Because probably to the management (or better, to the owners) things are good the way they are. Surely they are good to those who, starting from this february, started buying and selling Juventus titles, obviously knowing things before they happened.
The Triade didn't react this way to the accusations over the years. They appealed and appealed and won, in the end. What would ha happened if they had given up?
The positive thing is that they still haven't given up and if one day we'll get what is ours back, it'll be thanks to Moggi and to those fans who still are fighting for their lady.

As for Nedved, this is the 6th year I know him as a Juventino and he can be aggressive all you want on the field, but outside he has always been a composed, respectful and responsible person. He never felt the right or the need to protest about a ref or against his own club. Never. Not even when he was given that yellow that made him loose the CL final he had dreamed about his whole life.
Until last season, in the interviews, when asked what was special about Juve, every player answered that here all they had to think about was playing, the club organized everything else and this made performing well and winning much more easier. Now it's not this way anymore. Now a player like Pavel, a Golden ball that accepted to remain in B, let's not forget, has to *ask* the club to defend him. He has to ask and has to bring matthers in his own hands. We are not talking about a spoiled brat here, but about a man -father of 2 children- who worked hard all his life to get what he wished.
And, let me underline this, the fine is not because he left the team without him for 5 matchdays, it's based on a ethical code. Ethical. Nedved is to be fined on his ethic after a punishment that is obviously too harsh itself.
Interesting is also that while Cobolli with one hand appeals, because he doesn't agree with the punishment, with the other he fines the player and lets it be known.


By the way, facts, verdicts, accusations, comments and interviews of experts are all all accessible in internet and have been over-analyzed in these months on many Juventini forums and juventine association's sites. The turnover of the Club is accessible too.
+ REP .. Post of THE YEAR, let alone the month.
 

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