Final | Portugal - Greece (12 Viewers)

[Elnur_E65]

You guys actually see Lippi as the best option to be a NT coach? I don't. Not that I see somebody else to do it, but I see both Lippi and Trapp on the same level professionaly.

I hope Lippi proves me wrong.

I think in major competitions there is something more than practise, team spirit, coach with authority and balanced squad. That is adaptation. Since its loss to Wales in the qualifiers Italia did not lose a game, up until now. Last two of its friendlies- it beat Portugal 1-2 and Tunisia 0-4. Against Denmark they played a surprising long-pass strategy, which did create several moments, not ending up with a goal though unfortunately. Trapp understood his mistake and went back to positioning game against the Sweeds, and only lack in insentive and/or desire to score more lead to a tie. Third game was won. So, in spite of all worldclass players and tactics, Italy was unable to adapt to its competitors. And a well expected 2-2 has finished it.

 

Buy on AliExpress.com

[The Arif]

Priceless :LOL:

 

[Elnur_E65]

Hmmm... the picture is not loading up for some reason.

 

[Srecka]

strange... can't load the pic

 

[Cronios]

++ [ originally posted by AndriesGobert ] ++


They didn't. The Czechs did.

what else sould they do, to proove u that they did?
u expect from zagorakis to trible better than zidane, to amuze u?
they played with the best teams all along,
the were not helped by the refs
and as many said they wanted it more than everyone,
they gave their souls to it,
u dont like to see a serius work in a team?
so everyear real sould win the cl and brazil the wc?
anyways they are champion now,so thet are prooven.
as u said rui costa played well because he only played30'
italy for sure could deffense much better but did they?
especially on def matters the team sould be very well calibrated.
the team make the players or the players make the team?

 

[aressandro10]

++ [ originally posted by AndriesGobert ] ++


And that's a good thing? Sorry, but I don't like the fact we now have a European champion that perhaps won't even qualify for the World Championship and that will get slaughtered all the time. Furthermore a final like Italy-France is nice, a final like Portugal-Greece isn't.

So you guys seriously want to see Azerbaijan-Belarus as World Cup final? Hmm..I'd go for a traditional Italy-Brazil, but..

if Azerbaijan and Belarus goes to the world cup final they clearly plays better than Italy-Brazil...so why not?

 

[aressandro10]

++ [ originally posted by AndriesGobert ] ++


They didn't. The Czechs did.

and how do you explain that since the Czech doenst even qualify for the final?

this is not a beauty pagent where judges give mark according to who play more beautifulll...

this is a game of wits where people who score more and concede less goals in 90 minutes win... and teams have their own way to do that according to their ability as long as they follow the FIFA code of football....and Greece certainly dont break any of them...

 

[Jun-hide]

Pendir,

I partly agree with you, but I am still adamant that the main difference between Italians and Greeks were their approach to the game, especially in terms of spirit even if to certain extent we are seeing opposite side of the same coin . Greek worked hard, and played as a cohesive unit. The common fallacy about defending IMO is that it is done by defence specialists. Obviously having good defenders helps, because it gives you extra leverage but that alone does not gurantee good defending. Italians in my opinion were far from great in defending - They conceded goals on set pieces, were often exposed on the break, and against the Danes they struggled on the wing particuarly on the right. Midfield wasnt compact, and to certain degree lacked work rate. Perrota was clueless, Zanetti was lost in the field. Only Rino in my opinion showed desire and effort to win games in the Italian midfield.
I believe Greek defended well because they had right players complementing each other: Defence was great in the air, and midfield protect them from being exposed to long shots and pace. Obviously, Greek defenders are good: Dellas and their two full-backs are quality players. And their coach got tactics spot on - doubling up sides to give full-backs maximum protection against Figo and Ronaldo, and they were quick to capitalize extra man they have on the sides to attack Nuno Valente in particular. That is top class tactics IMO, but it requires patience and
dedication to the game plan on the part of players. What is the point of having good game plan, when you know players arent going to carry out?

In the end, dedication to the game plan and the quality of it goes hand in hand. I believe Italia struggled because 1) Trap made some mental mistakes 2) players did not respond well to such mistake. I am not going to defend Trap for his errors in this tournament because I reckon he made one to many and having not competent coach has cost some Italian players last opportunities to win some major tournaments which they are well capable of doing. However, Fiore complaining about Camoranesi, Rino and Pirlo going public to question the selectioning process, and Alex insisting that he is not inferior to Totti are ingredients for a rift witin the squad and bad blood between players and coaches. Players too have to be blamed - beside, the performance against Denmark was simply lathargic and simply unforgivable. Italian press did not help by trying to constantly focus on creating a tension between players. Unless these elements are sorted out, no good tactic will surface and to cure this disease, Italia need a manager who can stand his own ground, and can commad respect from players, press and fans. Lippi fits the bill IMO.

 

[Roverbhoy]

I shouldn't have to remind anyone, but football is a team game.

Greece were by far the best "team", and by that I mean producing a strong combination of playing the managers tactics to perfection, working hard for each other, accepting each others errors without complaint, keeping up a good tempo and work rate, being unselfish, and keeping 100% focus throughout the game.

Italy, for example lacked most, if not all, of these attributes.

Individual skill may win you a one off match; a piece of inspirational coaching, such as a tactical change, or an inspired substitution, may get you through the first round, but they will not win you the championship. Greece kept focused on the job at hand and took each game as it came.

They have my admiration for this success

 

[Seven]

++ [ originally posted by aressandro10 ] ++



and how do you explain that since the Czech doenst even qualify for the final?

this is not a pagent where judges give mark according to who play more beautifulll...

this is a game of wits where who score more and concede less goals in 90 minutes win... and teams have their own way to do that according to their ability as long as they follow the FIFA code of and Greece certainly dont break any of them...

Just look at the game the Czech played versus the Greek. The Greek goal was lucky and the Czech Republic should have already scored three times. So Greece was LUCKY , they did NOT deserve to win that game.

Neither did Greece deserve to win against France. Again they were LUCKY to get away with it and the fact Henry missed an easy header. No, a team that scores after they've got ONE chance and does not concede after giving away at least THREE good chances to the opposite side does NOT deserve to win.

I'm glad Greece won though, no doubt about that. But we shouldn't hail them as the new football gods, they were lucky and there's no way in denying that. If you do, football just isn't your game, lad.

The Greek players are very limited and not very skilled, let's not forget about that. And sorry guys, football is a game that lives on spectacular actions and beautiful goals. Greece can't take care of that section.

 

[Zlatan]

Thats all speculation AG, it doesn matter. Who says that if the Czechs had scored first the Greeks wouldnt have equalised and later won? You cant name those "what ifs" as facts.

Greece is the best team in Europe for the next 4 years. Thats a fact. everything else is pure speculation.

 

[Seven]

++ [ originally posted by Zlatan ] ++
Thats all speculation AG, it doesn matter. Who says that if the Czechs had scored first the Greeks wouldnt have equalised and later won? You cant name those "what ifs" as facts.

Greece is the best team in Europe for the next 4 years. Thats a fact. everything else is pure speculation.

You seriously believe what you just said?
Those Greek are going to get slaughtered on numerous occasions. They really aren't a good team.

And we always use those "what ifs" to decide which team deserved to win. Well, STAY OBJECTIVE, and admit that in this case the Greek simply did not deserve to win. The only team that deserved to win the trophy were the Czech. I don't know why everyone is defending the Greek. They play disgusting football, practically never create a nice attack and suddenly everyone is supporting them? HUH?

Italy is hated all over the world for playing catenaccio sometimes. Greece is admired for playing catenaccio all the time. That's just not right.

 

[gray]

Zlatan, surely you can't say that for the next 4 years, they should be undisputed as the best team in Europe You're saying you can't see any other team beat Greece within that time?

 

[Seven]

++ [ originally posted by aressandro10 ] ++

if Azerbaijan and Belarus goes to the world cup final they clearly plays better than Italy-Brazil...so why not?

They clearly won't play better. Neither did Greece play better than the Czech Republic or France.

 

[Seven]

++ [ originally posted by grecul ] ++


what else sould they do, to proove u that they did?
u expect from zagorakis to trible better than zidane, to amuze u?
they played with the best teams all along,
the were not helped by the refs
and as many said they wanted it more than everyone,
they gave their souls to it,
u dont like to see a serius work in a team?
so everyear real sould win the cl and brazil the wc?
anyways they are champion now,so thet are prooven.
as u said rui costa played well because he only played30'
italy for sure could deffense much better but did they?
especially on def matters the team sould be very well calibrated.
the team make the players or the players make the team?

Rui Costa didn't play well because he only played 30 minutes. He played well because he's the best Portuguese player of the last 2 decades. And from a grammatical point of view: the players make the team
But I know what you mean.

 

[Zlatan]

++ [ originally posted by AndriesGobert ] ++


You seriously believe what you just said?
Those Greek are going to get slaughtered on numerous occasions. They really aren't a good team.

And we always use those "what ifs" to decide which team deserved to win. Well, STAY OBJECTIVE, and admit that in this case the Greek simply did not deserve to win. The only team that deserved to win the trophy were the Czech. I don't know why everyone is defending the Greek. They play disgusting football, practically never create a nice attack and suddenly everyone is supporting them? HUH?

Italy is hated all over the world for playing catenaccio sometimes. Greece is admired for playing catenaccio all the time. That's just not right.

I am the objective one here, while you are doing your best to downplay and discredit the Greeks success. The fact is that they deserved to win. Why? Because they showed more heart, more soul, more hard work and dedication than anyone else. Italy has world class players and they can play offensive football if they want. Greece on the other hand is made up of around 4 or 5 good players while the rest are average at best. Rehagel did what he had to, he played the only way Greece could play to win. He emphasized their strenghts and covered their weaknesses best. besides, Greece dont play the Italian way of cattanacio they attack too, but they keep their minds on defence. Having great defenders is no certancy of playing great defence, and Italy can testify to that. I love attcking football too, and I would have loved had the Czechs been in the final, but Greece have won and I applaud them for that. They gave their all and they are in fact the most deserving team to wn this championship. If the Italian primadonnas had played their hearts out on the field, gave their all for every single ball, maybe they would have won. Instead they chose to moan about their socks and boots.

Winning games isnt about scoring more goals, it's about conceding as little as possible. Just ask Real.

++ [ originally posted by gray ] ++
Zlatan, surely you can't say that for the next 4 years, they should be undisputed as the best team in Europe You're saying you can't see any other team beat Greece within that time?

Yes, thats exactly what I'm saying. It's the same thing like with Porto: many people said that Real deserved it more, that Arsenal would have won if they had just scored that one chance, that Team X would have won had Player X not been injured. But none of that is important. What is important is that Porto made it to the finals and that they won. That makes them the best team in Europe as they have proved they are the best, everything else is just pure speculation.

Let me ask you this Gray: What are the European Championships? A tournament to determine the best football team in Europe, right? Well, if you win those European Championship, having qualified for it as first in your group, ahead of Spain, after having beaten Portugal twice, played a draw with Spain, knocked out France and the Czech Republic, after having won the Final, does that not prove they are the best team in Europe? What more do you want, for it to be written in the Bible?

 

[Seven]

Do you play football yourself, Zlatan?

 

[Zlatan]

Yeah, I used to play football before I got injured.

 

[Seven]

And Greece didn't show anything. My god, they played horrible!!!
They didn't achieve something great as everyone is saying here. They just screwed football, agreed. I saw a team that didn't do anything during the tournament and still won. Now let's not encourage this or we're going to get another fifty horrible championships.

 

[Dan]

they only won cos of OTTO REHAGEL. Everyone knows that.