FIFA Confederations Cup 2009 (76 Viewers)
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Spain usually do too. And in all fairness 2004 was, at the very least, highly suspicious. Combine that with the several racist banners inside the stadium and I can see where the Italian anger came from. Try Euro 2000, where Del Piero had to take the fall. Other Italians fucked up too, but they decided to get ONE scapegoat.
All I'm saying is I've been following Italy for like a decade now and I'm so used to the excuses the fans make.
Even on 2002 I totally agree with Sergio. It's freaking Korea, not Brazil. If you're good enough, you overcome it. In the end it wasn't Korea that was gifted the victories over Italy and Spain. It was Italy who couldn't defend against Ahn and it was Spain who lost the penalty shootout. Whatever else irregularity you want to argue, those failures are facts.
Now take Belgium - Brazil and that's a different story. Belgium cannot reasonably be expected to beat Brazil, therefore they were done a much greater injustice.
Even on 2002 I totally agree with Sergio. It's freaking Korea, not Brazil. If you're good enough, you overcome it. In the end it wasn't Korea that was gifted the victories over Italy and Spain. It was Italy who couldn't defend against Ahn and it was Spain who lost the penalty shootout. Whatever else irregularity you want to argue, those failures are facts.
Now take Belgium - Brazil and that's a different story. Belgium cannot reasonably be expected to beat Brazil, therefore they were done a much greater injustice.
Both Italy and Spain WON against Korea, Martin. If they cancel your win, there's nothing left to do. Spain even scored TWO winners FFS. 2002 is utterly ridiculous and I'm surprised that a rational person like yourself can come up with this. The game is won by scoring goals. If they take away that possibility, you can't win a game.
Actually it was. But few people noticed. If you care enough to look up the images, look at the Korean goalie. He was way off his line. But WAY OFF. Then look at Casillas trying to do the same.
Really, Martin, I will even agree with you on 2004 (Italy lost it themselves even if the game was fixed), but 2002, no, I won't go there. Both Italy and Spain beat Korea.
Really, Martin, I will even agree with you on 2004 (Italy lost it themselves even if the game was fixed), but 2002, no, I won't go there. Both Italy and Spain beat Korea.
Seven, what is the point of complaining about it? It doesn't change anything. Do you think the USA in 1994 simply got to the knockout stages based on their ability alone??
No, they didn't. Its called home cooking, and shit happens.
Even my father, who is as die hard of an old school Italian as you can get, realized that Italy should have never put themselves in that position in 2002 in the first place. It took him 2 weeks, but he came around eventually.
No, they didn't. Its called home cooking, and shit happens.
Even my father, who is as die hard of an old school Italian as you can get, realized that Italy should have never put themselves in that position in 2002 in the first place. It took him 2 weeks, but he came around eventually.
I'm not complaining about it. But people calling Italians sore losers is rich. First you take away all their goals, you take away all their chances of winning and then you say they are sore losers. And what position? They were in that position because of the referee in the first place!
And yes, it happens in every tournament, but not like that. What happened in Japan/Korea was disgraceful.
And yes, it happens in every tournament, but not like that. What happened in Japan/Korea was disgraceful.
I was very angry when Italy went out, but I only got truly enraged after Spain were eliminated. I can still remember all the various camera angles on Joaquin's cross. And Hierro telling the press after the game that he hoped it was mere incompetence was sad as well.
But I do agree with you about the Italian mentality. I only believe that 2002 isn't the best example out there.
But I do agree with you about the Italian mentality. I only believe that 2002 isn't the best example out there.