Fernando Llorente - ST - Athletic Bilbao (57 Viewers)

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Osman

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TBH if you take 20 goals off Ronaldo and Messi (two phenomenal players not found in other leagues) you end up with the same figures in total and individually across the leagues. I'm not a fan of how they defend in Spain, but there is some exaggeration here.
I been saying this for years, but logic doesnt compute generally, yes La Liga is more carefree/offensive oriented mindset instead of tactical/cautious minded (they rather chase for goals and expose more then bide time etc), but the overall defence level isnt that horrible that they would be exposed compared to other top leagues (otherwise they wouldnt dominate EL), some people dont want to realize the insane quality likes of Cristiano and Messi possess (and the huge gulf between the league and the two teams they play in ofcourse). For example Villa and Eto'o have been throughout the years the two best strikers IMO (since Henry declined), but they hardly scored more then 25 goals in the league itself. Being a quality attacker in La Liga might give you 5ish or more goals at best then more reserved league (btw Bundesliga highest scoring one in top 4), but not 20-25+ extra goals like those two freaks are doing.
 

Klovn

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Jul 28, 2011
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Yes, but only second half. Maybe the sign of a transfer?
Anyway, he can still play CL for us next season due to some changes in the rules.
No, it's not. Athletic won 3-1 first match. They could risk losing him for 10 months, on a unlucky injury.

Had he been playing from start.

I wouldn't consider Llorente in that bracket. Lets not forget we were in for RVP. This is not to moan, but when it happens the second year running you could say its disappointing, espesh given the season we had. A solid mercato yes, but definitely could have been better with the icing on the cake, being a higher profile player.
If i may ask, how many times have you seen Llorente play?

TBH if you take 20 goals off Ronaldo and Messi (two phenomenal players not found in other leagues) you end up with the same figures in total and individually across the leagues. I'm not a fan of how they defend in Spain, but there is some exaggeration here.
:agree:

He still destroyed many teams in Europe also. Including United who he quite frankly humiliated.
:agree:

I been saying this for years, but logic doesnt compute generally, yes La Liga is more carefree/offensive oriented mindset instead of tactical/cautious minded (they rather chase for goals and expose more then bide time etc), but the overall defence level isnt that horrible that they would be exposed compared to other top leagues (otherwise they wouldnt dominate EL), some people dont want to realize the insane quality likes of Cristiano and Messi possess (and the huge gulf between the league and the two teams they play in ofcourse). For example Villa and Eto'o have been throughout the years the two best strikers IMO (since Henry declined), but they hardly scored more then 25 goals in the league itself. Being a quality attacker in La Liga might give you 5ish or more goals at best then more reserved league (btw Bundesliga highest scoring one in top 4), but not 20-25+ extra goals like those two freaks are doing.
:tup:
 

Cheesio

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Jul 11, 2006
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Llorente is good striker, slightly overrated, Dzeko is without a doubt the better player and the most gifted one, and the one that Juve should target, not only he can score the tap in, the headers, he can create goal scoring opportunities by his own, score from outside the box. I would be happy if we signed the spanish but he isn't exactly a house hold name.
 

Red

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Nov 26, 2006
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Does anyone know if he can play in the CL after playing the EL qualifiers?
18.07 As a rule, a player may not play in a UEFA club competition (i.e. UEFA
Champions League and UEFA Europa League, but not UEFA Super Cup) for
more than one club in the course of the same season. Exceptionally, however,
a player who has been fielded in the first, second, third qualifying round or the
play-offs of the UEFA Champions League or UEFA Europa League is entitled
to play in the UEFA Champions League or UEFA Europa League for anotherclub
as from the group stage.
Moreover, as from the start of the round of 16, a
player can be registered in accordance with paragraphs 18.18 to 18.21 below.
A substitute player who has not been fielded is entitled to play for another club
competing in the UEFA Champions League or UEFA Europa League in the
course of the same season, provided that he is registered with the UEFA
administration in accordance with the present regulations.
Seems to be fine for Llorente to play for someone else from the Group Stage onwards.

Playing in the Qualifying Rounds only seems to cup-tie you for the duration of the Qualifying Rounds now.

He still destroyed many teams in Europe also. Including United who he quite frankly humiliated.
Man Utd without Vidic.

Not that impressive.

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Oh, and for all you banging on about Spanish players failing in Serie A, remember: Llorente is Basque. ;)
 

Red

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Nov 26, 2006
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So do you agree with that theory?
About Spanish players and Serie A?

To some extent.

I'd be more inclined to think it would be an issue for a smaller, more mobile, dribbling type forward as it'd be harder to find space as teams in Serie A keep things much more compact.

Llorente doesn't really need space to be effective, though.

He's big enough and strong enough that if the service is good there is nothing much a defence can do to stop him - rather like it used to be with Luca Toni in his prime.

He may take a little while to get used to a higher standard of marking (and a bit more by way of nasty tricks from defenders), but I don't doubt he'd do fine in Italy.
 

RAVANELLI

it was all a dream
Jun 4, 2011
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About Spanish players and Serie A?

To some extent.

I'd be more inclined to think it would be an issue for a smaller, more mobile, dribbling type forward as it'd be harder to find space as teams in Serie A keep things much more compact.

Llorente doesn't really need space to be effective, though.

He's big enough and strong enough that if the service is good there is nothing much a defence can do to stop him - rather like it used to be with Luca Toni in his prime.

He may take a little while to get used to a higher standard of marking (and a bit more by way of nasty tricks from defenders), but I don't doubt he'd do fine in Italy.
Agreed :agree:

Thanks for your input, Red.

If we end up getting him, I can only hope he turns out to be another Vidal. and by that I mean a pleasant surprise.
 
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