Federico Chiesa (11 Viewers)

Gigiventus

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Kulusevski and Chiesa offer totally different things. They aren't really competing with each other imo.

Kulu has to play closer to goal and more centrally. His competition is Ramsey and Dybala. Chiesa is one of the few players that can offer proper width and run down the side line effectively. He competes with Cuadrado and Alex Sandro. He should bench Cuadrado when Alex Sandro comes back, but anyway there will be tons of rotations in a season like this one.

Alex - X - X - Chiesa
X - X - Danilo​
or
Chiesa - X - X - Cuadrado
Alex - X - X​

As long as he is fit we will see Chiesa starting most matches imo. The attacking midfield spot will likely be between Ramsey and Kulusevski.
 

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DAiDEViL

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he’s got twice as many assists as Cuadrado, all while playing heavy minutes on the left side, on a club he just joined. How’s that not a reason?
He should play higher up (and has a different role anyway, with Danilo covering his ass, so stats of course better here), not replacing one of the most reliable players we have so far. Not to mention his defensive game isn't on par with Cuads...but but twice the assists, yeah, got me there. Watch the games and how much goes through Cuads and you want to replace him.

Probably because he's youger. That age fetish of yours.
 
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he’s got twice as many assists as Cuadrado, all while playing heavy minutes on the left side, on a club he just joined. How’s that not a reason?
Don’t look to much to those numbers. Cuadrado brings a lot of balance to the team, he understand that role a lot better.

I agree that Chiesa would probably be better on the right side of the pitch, but for now Cuadrado remains first choice for me. We’re still facing a period where we have to win everything after a bad start. Eventually Chiesa will get his minutes on that side, maybe when Sandro is back and in good shape.
 

DanielSz

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Sep 6, 2014
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Don’t look to much to those numbers. Cuadrado brings a lot of balance to the team, he understand that role a lot better.

I agree that Chiesa would probably be better on the right side of the pitch, but for now Cuadrado remains first choice for me. We’re still facing a period where we have to win everything after a bad start. Eventually Chiesa will get his minutes on that side, maybe when Sandro is back and in good shape.
yeah, my response was to a response about a lineup with Sandro in it. Once he’s back pirlo can get more aggressive with his midfielders, and chiesa is better going forward than Cuadrado, especially on his natural side. its pretty clear they’re overloading the right side right now (ie playing thru Cuadrado) to put Chiesa in one on one situations on the left. Itd be tough to play through him on the left rn since it’s not on his natural foot side and he’d struggle with crosses.
 

Hydde

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Mar 6, 2003
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Don’t look to much to those numbers. Cuadrado brings a lot of balance to the team, he understand that role a lot better.

I agree that Chiesa would probably be better on the right side of the pitch, but for now Cuadrado remains first choice for me. We’re still facing a period where we have to win everything after a bad start. Eventually Chiesa will get his minutes on that side, maybe when Sandro is back and in good shape.
Why not both? Chiesa as right winger fully commited to attack, and cuadrado covering him
 

Alin

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Jul 27, 2015
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More assists than the guy who the ball goes through. Thanks for making the point for me.
Lmao

Maybe because one plays RB/RWB while the other is at LW/LM? Are you even capable of comprehending the difference or do you need someone to paint it out for you? Imagine comparing the two when one plays primarily on the right side as a defender while the other is playing as an atacking winger on the left atm.
 

Kopanja

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Jul 30, 2015
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Why not both? Chiesa as right winger fully commited to attack, and cuadrado covering him
Because they both need space, e.g. Cuads play behind CR, cause CR always cuts inside, leaving Cuads one on one with defender. Both Cuads and Chiesa prefer to go wide, that’s not stackable.
 

Alin

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Because they both need space, e.g. Cuads play behind CR, cause CR always cuts inside, leaving Cuads one on one with defender. Both Cuads and Chiesa prefer to go wide, that’s not stackable.
i feel it would be a bit similar to what we had with Cancelo and Cuadrado playing simultaneously on that right side(altough we didn’t see it much as Cuads was injured for large chunks that season) so yeah, not very plausible as they’d both need space to roam around but that also still makes more sense to me as an option rather then benching Cuadrado and having Chiesa start as an RB/RWB with as many defensive tasks as on the offensive.... which he is largely unproven at, at least so far.

i think the only way Chiesa would work there and not look lost would be as an RM/RW if Danillo takes the RB or makeshift RCB role again and covers defensively just as he’s been doing on the left so far, but then again we would lose all the benefits that Cuadrado brings on the right while also losing the pace provided by Chiesa on the left, so again, all in all i feel this debate is pointless as i think the only way Cuads will ever be benched or pushed out from the formation we are playing now could be only related to an injury or suspension, that’s just how it stands rn.
 

Kopanja

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@Alin It's all hinges on Sandro. If he is going to be last season Sandro, Cuads should play. But Pirlo made Danilo an amazing player, there is a hope he can revive Sandro.
 

Alin

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@Alin It's all hinges on Sandro. If he is going to be last season Sandro, Cuads should play. But Pirlo made Danilo an amazing player, there is a hope he can revive Sandro.
yup, and i actually think that Alex Sandro and Chiesa could very well co-exist on the left, but then ofc that would mean also leaving Danillo out from the LB/LCB spot which his current form does not recommend, anyway foremost its great to have in-form options to chose from so i’d say all in all it’s a good ‘headache’ to have, going to be down to Pirlo to connect all the pieces together and keep everyone happy, and i trust he eventually will.
 

Hydde

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Because they both need space, e.g. Cuads play behind CR, cause CR always cuts inside, leaving Cuads one on one with defender. Both Cuads and Chiesa prefer to go wide, that’s not stackable.
That could be tweaked tactically. Ask cuadrado to let Chiesa attack and make him just tiressly cover his back. Just order cuadrado to not be going up that much and keep it tight behind chiesas advances.

Nothing that could not be ordered from the bench.
 

Kopanja

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Jul 30, 2015
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That could be tweaked tactically. Ask cuadrado to let Chiesa attack and make him just tiressly cover his back. Just order cuadrado to not be going up that much and keep it tight behind chiesas advances.

Nothing that could not be ordered from the bench.
Well, I agree that many things could be tweaked. But what is the point of Cuads if he cannot attack? He is not that great a defender, and you also reduce the enthropy for an opponent, they have fewer people to worry about, it's easier to defend.
 

Hydde

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Well, I agree that many things could be tweaked. But what is the point of Cuads if he cannot attack? He is not that great a defender, and you also reduce the enthropy for an opponent, they have fewer people to worry about, it's easier to defend.
He is not a great attacker either, but what cuadrado really has is that he is tireless, quick and selfless. Those are his best assets.

It doesnt mean he will not suppport chiesa in attack, just not as much., but anyways is time that we start phasing him because sooner or later he will decline and its better for us to get ready for that.
 

DanielSz

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Sep 6, 2014
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Lmao

Maybe because one plays RB/RWB while the other is at LW/LM? Are you even capable of comprehending the difference or do you need someone to paint it out for you? Imagine comparing the two when one plays primarily on the right side as a defender while the other is playing as an atacking winger on the left atm.
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Chiesa and Cuadrados heat map vs Spezia, as an example. Call the positions whatever you want, Cuadrado is still a key part of essentially every attack. Chiesa is also playing on the left where crossing is pretty much eliminated from his arsenal as he’s right footed. And the only reason he’s even on that side is because Cuadrado couldn't do it. Once Sandro is fit I would bet that Cuadrado hits the bench and Chiesa moves back to his natural role that Cuadrado is in now. Comprehend that.
 

Alin

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Jul 27, 2015
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Chiesa and Cuadrados heat map vs Spezia, as an example. Call the positions whatever you want, Cuadrado is still a key part of essentially every attack. Chiesa is also playing on the left where crossing is pretty much eliminated from his arsenal as he’s right footed. And the only reason he’s even on that side is because Cuadrado couldn't do it. Once Sandro is fit I would bet that Cuadrado hits the bench and Chiesa moves back to his natural role that Cuadrado is in now. Comprehend that.
Only part i am able to comprehend from it is that you are probably another one of those that watch stats and heat maps instead of the actual game because you can’t be seriously saying that for the past games they’ve played the same positions/roles just that on different sides of the pitch or that Chiesa’s natural role will be the one Cuadrado’s playing in right now... next i wouldn’t be surprised if you will tell us that Alex Sandro will play and fill in the role Chiesa’s playing in now based on those very same heat maps, no offence, but i honestly think we’re getting nowher here, really no point debating further as we are obviously miles apart with our vision on this so let’s just leave it at the part where time is supposed to prove who is going to be right about it.
 

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