Federico Bernardeschi - AM RLC - Fiorentina (18 Viewers)
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Not sure you follow my point. I totally agree that Marotta has done far more good than bad. I am a fan of his and especially Agnelli who did an absolutely fantastic job. You asked me to name some "mistakes" or at least questionable decisions.
For me wasting 8m + wages on a totally unneccesary squad filler with no resale value is a bad decision. I agree that given the financial parameters it is not a decission that will harm us in the long run, but it is still a bad decission. So was bringing in 6 choice CF like Anelka, Boriello, Bendtner and Peluso. Selling one of our most promissing youngsters in Coman, on a two year loan with an option to buy was damn near retarded as an isolated decision, and it has nothing to do with him coming for free. What about penny pinching for Veratti so he went to PSG. In retrospective would it have been better to buy him outright? Again not saying anybody will get 100% of their decission right, and offcourse our management is top proffesionel and has a much better chance of making informed desisions than anybody on this forum, but it is still worth discusing these things.
Oh, and how did Higuain pay for himself? 90m plus 14 m a year in wages is a lot of money for a 29 year old, with limited resale value, who still has problems performing to his best in the biggest matches.
Padoin was just to see how people would react:
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Its still a bad investment and thereby a bad desicion. The rest is just financial accounting. Has absolutely nothing to do with making smart business decisions.
For me wasting 8m + wages on a totally unneccesary squad filler with no resale value is a bad decision. I agree that given the financial parameters it is not a decission that will harm us in the long run, but it is still a bad decission. So was bringing in 6 choice CF like Anelka, Boriello, Bendtner and Peluso. Selling one of our most promissing youngsters in Coman, on a two year loan with an option to buy was damn near retarded as an isolated decision, and it has nothing to do with him coming for free. What about penny pinching for Veratti so he went to PSG. In retrospective would it have been better to buy him outright? Again not saying anybody will get 100% of their decission right, and offcourse our management is top proffesionel and has a much better chance of making informed desisions than anybody on this forum, but it is still worth discusing these things.
Oh, and how did Higuain pay for himself? 90m plus 14 m a year in wages is a lot of money for a 29 year old, with limited resale value, who still has problems performing to his best in the biggest matches.
Padoin was just to see how people would react:
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Its still a bad investment and thereby a bad desicion. The rest is just financial accounting. Has absolutely nothing to do with making smart business decisions.
@Hustini here
http://www.juventus.com/en/club/inv...nts/price-sensitve-press-releases/2016-17.php
just scroll down and click on the "Agreement with Cagliari FC..." link
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and i said he can be classified as a mistake, back in my 1st quote to you. thing is, at the time we bought him he was the best RWB in Italy, and 9+9M seemed like a good deal. he flopped due to his injury or whatever other reason, so Beppe made the best out of it and reduced the remaining fee from 9M to 4M, then loaned him out twice in hope he can recover his form and we can sell him, which we did in the end for a decent fee and managed to not make a loss on the whole operation. a mistake that we managed to fix in the end (kinda like Krasic, who atleast had one good season), unlike Malaka who i consider the only fuckup by Beppe along with Elia (Conte is partly responsible too for never even playing him). and all of these are early transfers if you can notice, when we were working on a low budget and were trying to get bargain deals for potential top players
http://www.juventus.com/en/club/inv...nts/price-sensitve-press-releases/2016-17.php
just scroll down and click on the "Agreement with Cagliari FC..." link
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and i said he can be classified as a mistake, back in my 1st quote to you. thing is, at the time we bought him he was the best RWB in Italy, and 9+9M seemed like a good deal. he flopped due to his injury or whatever other reason, so Beppe made the best out of it and reduced the remaining fee from 9M to 4M, then loaned him out twice in hope he can recover his form and we can sell him, which we did in the end for a decent fee and managed to not make a loss on the whole operation. a mistake that we managed to fix in the end (kinda like Krasic, who atleast had one good season), unlike Malaka who i consider the only fuckup by Beppe along with Elia (Conte is partly responsible too for never even playing him). and all of these are early transfers if you can notice, when we were working on a low budget and were trying to get bargain deals for potential top players
Coman asked to leave. You can't blame Marotta for getting the best possible deal. His price sky rockeded when he played under Guardiola in his first season with Bayern.
Why are you criticizing freebies?
Higgy won us the Scudetto with a ton of important goals. He also scored important goals against Monaco. He sure was expensive but he has performed what was expected IMO.
Marotta made some bad moves but that was at another time and place. Looking at our 2010 squad horrifies me as well. How would any "top players" in their prime have joined us back then.
Today everyone wants to join us. Berna and Schick asked for a move to Juve. Inter could offer Schick much more playing time but he'll rather fight for it here. What has happened to this club over the past 7 years is truly incredible.
Why are you criticizing freebies?
Higgy won us the Scudetto with a ton of important goals. He also scored important goals against Monaco. He sure was expensive but he has performed what was expected IMO.
Marotta made some bad moves but that was at another time and place. Looking at our 2010 squad horrifies me as well. How would any "top players" in their prime have joined us back then.
Today everyone wants to join us. Berna and Schick asked for a move to Juve. Inter could offer Schick much more playing time but he'll rather fight for it here. What has happened to this club over the past 7 years is truly incredible.
Why cant you just admit that Isla was a mistake Zizinho , without trying to make excuses. People are to sensitive to these kind of things. Why is it so hard to admit that.
Buying a player for 13m, paying him, what 5-6m a year in wages, for contributing with absolute nothing is a bad decision. The rest is pure bookkeeping and should not be used as an argument, when assesing decisions.
Buying a player for 13m, paying him, what 5-6m a year in wages, for contributing with absolute nothing is a bad decision. The rest is pure bookkeeping and should not be used as an argument, when assesing decisions.
So hypothetically:
We buy Higuain for 90m and give him a four year contract. We right of the investment in a straight line with 22,5m a year giving him 14m a year in wages.
He flops massively contributes absolutely nothing. In year 3 we sell him for 25m, giving us a finacial gain in year 3 of 2,5m. According to you the misake is fixed? The total cost of having Higuain for 3 years is 107m, but in our books in year 3 its a gain.
Its the same deal with Isla the amounts are just lower. What about how his wages has influenced our finacial statement or the amortisation of his contract over the duration of our ownership.
We buy Higuain for 90m and give him a four year contract. We right of the investment in a straight line with 22,5m a year giving him 14m a year in wages.
He flops massively contributes absolutely nothing. In year 3 we sell him for 25m, giving us a finacial gain in year 3 of 2,5m. According to you the misake is fixed? The total cost of having Higuain for 3 years is 107m, but in our books in year 3 its a gain.
Its the same deal with Isla the amounts are just lower. What about how his wages has influenced our finacial statement or the amortisation of his contract over the duration of our ownership.
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