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Cirillo

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Pirlo: Too old.
Barzagli: Cheap but never that good.
Bonucci: Should have gotten Ranocchia.
Krasic: Will be a great winger.
Alves: Barca reject and too old/slow.
Evra: Too old and slow. Beyond his prime.
Padoin: Waste of money for a utility player.

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The amount of times I heard arguments about players that were proven wrong this list could go on for ages. Everyone here is guilty of it.

Leave the player judgement to the people that get paid to do it for the club. Pretty sure they know more said player(s) than anyone here.

How dare you bring such common sense and truth to this debate!!! Shame on you
 

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Hydde

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Is it an unjustified bias though?

I mean, two CL finals appearances in the last 3 years, let alone what this club has done domestically since the board took over.

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Should they deserve unrequited bias? No. No one should.

But should they deserve at least the benefit of the doubt? Absolutely. Haven't the last 3 years alone shown that?

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And he also said that he would be looking for young players to build into champions. That has been his Modus Operandi for the last several years
Yeah, and? Who has a better track record tho? People here guessing who will be good or not at Juve or the board?

You both missed the point. It has more to do with trusting the board than knowing with certainty that X player isn't worth Y amount or that said player isn't Juve material. The board has been pretty $#@!ing good at proving just about all of us wrong for the better half of a decade now.

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I'd like to add one more thing: Milan & Inter are going to be spending their way back up the table this year and next year, they don't really have FFP rules to hold them back and their new owners seem to have deeply lined pockets which only suggests buying domestically for talents is only going to increase the costs which I'm sure our board is aware of. Thankfully we don't have to worry about that anymore because A.) We don't get into buying wars and B.) We have plan B, C, D lined up if a team wants to splurge on one of our targets. If they make it into one of those plans, it's because they are good enough to do the job that will be asked of them.
Its kind of justified. Marotta has been stellar for us. But we need always to be aware that no one is perfect and we cant assume they will get everything right.

I agree with sergio on the bolded parts and is exactly my stance. But never have blind bias.

That said, i trust in the board. They always get their things with 75% of effectivity or more.
 

dolph

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Mar 30, 2006
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Pirlo: Too old.
Barzagli: Cheap but never that good.
Bonucci: Should have gotten Ranocchia.
Krasic: Will be a great winger.
Alves: Barca reject and too old/slow.
Evra: Too old and slow. Beyond his prime.
Padoin: Waste of money for a utility player.

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The amount of times I heard arguments about players that were proven wrong this list could go on for ages. Everyone here is guilty of it.

Leave the player judgement to the people that get paid to do it for the club. Pretty sure they know more said player(s) than anyone here.
What about:
Hernanes
Rincon
Martinez

Beppe and co is among the very best in the game, and we are lucky to have them, but they do make bad judgements to. Also this is a forum were you are supposed to voice your opinion. It would be pretty boring to discuss things if we all just agreed that the management was always right.
 

zizinho

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Apr 14, 2013
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What about:
Hernanes
Rincon
Martinez

Beppe and co is among the very best in the game, and we are lucky to have them, but they do make bad judgements to. Also this is a forum were you are supposed to voice your opinion. It would be pretty boring to discuss things if we all just agreed that the management was always right.
Hernanes and Rico were good, Martinez was a total miss. Isla was bad too but atleast we got 4+1+1 for him, so we didnt make a financial loss
 

Hust

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May 29, 2005
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What about:
Hernanes
Rincon
Martinez

Beppe and co is among the very best in the game, and we are lucky to have them, but they do make bad judgements to. Also this is a forum were you are supposed to voice your opinion. It would be pretty boring to discuss things if we all just agreed that the management was always right.
What exactly is wrong with Rincon? The guy does his job. His job wasn't to be a starter, it never was. His job is to shore up the midfield when its late in the game which he does. He is a worker bee so to speak. He was in inexpensive solution proven in Serie A. Look, this isn't rocket science when you did deep.

I find it much easier to criticize Beppe for Hernanes, I'll give you that. He waited too long that summer to fill a gap. Martinez, meh, considering he had just started at the club and was given a very limited budget with which to work and not many people wanted to come here at that time after 2 second place finishes. Beppe was trying to build a foundation, which he eventually did.

I'll give you Hernanes. What else do you have besides those two? We can talk about Osvaldo or whats that Danish guy's name? He learned from his EARLY mistakes but again, he handled a small budget masterfully well with a couple hiccups along the way. And you know what, most of those names came AFTER we couldn't get our main targets because we simply couldn't afford them at the time.

I never said they didn't make bad decisions. I also never said to not post your opinions. What I am saying is, some members post like they already know the outcome before it even happens. But you're right about one thing it would be much less boring this time of the year when we can look back at those silly predictions :tup:
 

Hydde

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Mar 6, 2003
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Hernanes and Rico were good, Martinez was a total miss. Isla was bad too but atleast we got 4+1+1 for him, so we didnt make a financial loss
Hernanes good? no dude. he was a panic buy because we missed a trequartista, and he was overall not good enough on top of it. Luckily we recovered our investment. But no way this signing was good.
 

zizinho

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Apr 14, 2013
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Guys like Lucio, Osvaldo, Bentdner and Anelka were either very cheap or free, so dont see a problem with either

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Hernanes good? no dude. he was a panic buy because we missed a trequartista, and he was overall not good enough on top of it. Luckily we recovered our investment. But no way this signing was good.
We were without a vice Marchisio which Nanes filled nicely, and we sold him for what we bought him for. He did well, apart from few games at the beginning of the 15-16 season
 

dolph

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Mar 30, 2006
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Hernanes and Rico were good, Martinez was a total miss. Isla was bad too but atleast we got 4+1+1 for him, so we didnt make a financial loss
We been over this before so no point in bringing up again. In my opinion Hernanes was horrible, and we got lucky some Chinese went full retard. And offcourse Isla was a financial loss. We bought him for 18m and sold him for what 5-6m. Bad ROI no matter if it showed up in the finansiel statement or not.

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What exactly is wrong with Rincon? The guy does his job. His job wasn't to be a starter, it never was. His job is to shore up the midfield when its late in the game which he does. He is a worker bee so to speak. He was in inexpensive solution proven in Serie A. Look, this isn't rocket science when you did deep.

I find it much easier to criticize Beppe for Hernanes, I'll give you that. He waited too long that summer to fill a gap. Martinez, meh, considering he had just started at the club and was given a very limited budget with which to work and not many people wanted to come here at that time after 2 second place finishes. Beppe was trying to build a foundation, which he eventually did.

I'll give you Hernanes. What else do you have besides those two? We can talk about Osvaldo or whats that Danish guy's name? He learned from his EARLY mistakes but again, he handled a small budget masterfully well with a couple hiccups along the way. And you know what, most of those names came AFTER we couldn't get our main targets because we simply couldn't afford them at the time.

I never said they didn't make bad decisions. I also never said to not post your opinions. What I am saying is, some members post like they already know the outcome before it even happens. But you're right about one thing it would be much less boring this time of the year when we can look back at those silly predictions :tup:
Isla
Bendtner
Anelka
Lucio
That guy who playes in Sussulo now
Padoin
Martinez
Maybe Higuain for 90m (verdict still put on that one)
Sell Coman to Bayern on a deal with an option

Again big fan of Marotta and co. but they do make mistaken and it is worth discussing.
 

Sjaban

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Dec 29, 2012
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Still Marotta has done a lot more right than wrong, so in Beppe we trust.

Let's not forget that every club makes transfer mistakes. Look at Real Madrid, who remembers their legendary players Gravesen, Faubert, and Drenthe?
 

Hust

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May 29, 2005
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Isla
Bendtner
Anelka
Lucio
That guy who playes in Sussulo now
Padoin
Martinez
Maybe Higuain for 90m (verdict still put on that one)
Sell Coman to Bayern on a deal with an option

Again big fan of Marotta and co. but they do make mistaken and it is worth discussing.
Higuain has basically paid for himself already. HE sure as hell will by the end of his contract.

Padoin? Are you serious? The guy that got a heros departure and standing O when he left?

Anelka, Bendtner, Lucio, Coman all for free. Lol hell we made a killing from Coman that cost us nothing.

Not sure I'm following your logic at this point.

Hernanes, Isla, Martinez I agree with. The later 2 were the earlier mistakes I've already discussed. Already spoke about Hernanes.

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I thought he was joking when I saw his name.
 

KB824

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Sep 16, 2003
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Moral of the story: Nobody's Perfect.

Moral #2 of the story: This board has done far more good than harm.

Moral #3: I still don't know how this went from Bernadeschi to arguing about Marotta and Co.
 

JuveJay

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Moral #3: I still don't know how this went from Bernadeschi to arguing about Marotta and Co.
Member A doesn't like random transfer rumour. Member B replies to trust Beppe. Member A counters with list of transfers Beppe got wrong to prove the point.

Bernardeschi to a bunch of freebie squad fillers is a bit of a leap though.
 
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