Fabio Capello (7 Viewers)

[Bjerknes]

But that's the thing. We had the best team in league during Capello's reign in terms of grinding out results through tough and solid defensive play. He's a very good player manager, good tactician, but I do believe he is overrated to some extent.

I don't want him back because it's a backwards step, not because he's an inept manager.

 

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[king Ale]

No Rab, Prandelli and Gasperini ain't gonna be the solution for the problems we have. We need a great coach, someone who's got enough experience to work in a situation similar to what we are in. I'm not going for Capello though. There are other options who can not only bring back the winning spirit, discipline, great fitness, moral, motivation but with them we also can establish longer plans both in the league and in the CL.

 

[Azzurri7]

No Rab, Prandelli and Gasperini ain't gonna be the solution for the problems we have. We need a great coach, someone who's got enough experience to work in a situation similar to what we are in. I'm not going for Capello though. There are other options who can not only bring back the winning spirit, discipline, great fitness, moral, motivation but with them we also can establish longer plans both in the league and in the CL.

I never said I want them habibi. I said, I'll take them over Capello anyday. Prefer them to Capello to be more accurate.

 

[Alen]

We need to get a life though, me most of all.
Even though we're all aware that he will not join Juve, we keep discussing him as if he already joined us.

 

[Martin]

We need to get a life though, me most of all.
Even though we're all aware that he will not join Juve, we keep discussing him as if he already joined us.

Probably because some are having nightmares just thinking about it

 

[Azzurri7]

Probably because some are having nightmares just thinking about it

:cough: :cough:

 

[Martin]

:cough: :cough:

Hey you could release your sequel on youtube

 

[king Ale]

We need to get a life though, me most of all.
Even though we're all aware that he will not join Juve, we keep discussing him as if he already joined us.

It's still better than all those polls asking for the general idea of buying this one or that.

 

[Byrone]

So when can we have a poll to bring Ranieri back?

 

[Suns]

So when can we have a poll to bring Ranieri back?

When he wins his first title(Never).

 

[Byrone]

When he wins his first title(Never).

Unfortunately for you,CL qualification equates to a title at roma.

 

[sateeh]

Juve didn't suck. We were spoiled babies who weren't satisfied with 2 scudetti in a row and we wanted to play some Barca-style football, beat everyone 10:0 and win the CL every single year.

How on earth can you say that we sucked when we won 2 years in a row? We had great players and that's the only reason why we won? Milan with Cafu, Nesta, Maldini, Pirlo, Gattuso, Seedorf, Kaka, Crespo, Shevchenko, Inzaghi etc, weren't just as great?
They were even better than us and we beat them to the scudetto, twice.

Exactly right there.

Capello rocked the house in Serie A. After all, the team never sat below first place in his entire two-year tenure with the club. You cannot bluff that one.

But his CL record was pretty disastrous. If it were only about winning Serie A, but this was a club built with international aspirations in mind. When we needed joke goals by Emerson to bail us out against Werder Bremen, that was more than just horribly disappointing -- it was money ill-spent.

Inter keeps racking up the scudetti, but they sent Mancini packing for European glory. We once were in the same boat.

And they got "the best manager" in the world. Where did that get them in the CL? Same with Chelsea. Don't tell me they got robbed or beaten by the champions or whatever. If people are going to judge Capello on plain view the same has to be done about others.

We weren't great thats is a fact but its a cup competition, its almost impossible to bring a coach to win such a competition.

In 2004/05 we did great in the group stages and then we eliminated Real Madrid.
We were eliminated by the future CL champs.

In 2005/06 yes, we did bad in that competition.

People forget that they we had a perfectly legit goal against Pool that got disallowed in 04/05.

Anyway, one of the reasons I want a Capello type is because he will impose his will on the board. We know he will get his with the management and the guy knows how to structure a team whatever the players he has (perfect example is with Roma where he knew exactly what they needed).

 

[Bjerknes]

Problem with Capello is that we didn't even seem to want to win the Champions League, looking at how we played.

Please dissect the performances here. We were terrible in Europe. It's not because it's a freakin' cup competition. We played the same way throughout the season and it didn't work against good teams. That's it, don't need to sugar coat it.

 

[Hust]

No Rab, Prandelli and Gasperini ain't gonna be the solution for the problems we have. We need a great coach, someone who's got enough experience to work in a situation similar to what we are in. I'm not going for Capello though. There are other options who can not only bring back the winning spirit, discipline, great fitness, moral, motivation but with them we also can establish longer plans both in the league and in the CL.

What other options? I don't see any.

 

[Mark]

Gigi Simoni.

 

[swag]

But that's the thing. We had the best team in league during Capello's reign in terms of grinding out results through tough and solid defensive play. He's a very good player manager, good tactician, but I do believe he is overrated to some extent.

I don't want him back because it's a backwards step, not because he's an inept manager.

Capello is the guy you want when you have the resources but just aren't delivering up to your potential.

England was in that after they got their asses lit up by a nothing-to-play-for Croatia in Wembly for the Euro 2008 quals. We are completely in that category right now, so of course I'm not averse to seeing Capello potentially come back.

But when you start winning your league again, it's natural that expectations start to expand beyond just the Peninsula.

Exactly right there.

And they got "the best manager" in the world. Where did that get them in the CL? Same with Chelsea. Don't tell me they got robbed or beaten by the champions or whatever. If people are going to judge Capello on plain view the same has to be done about others.

Inter hasn't fared better in the CL under Mou than under Mancini. But right now we're only talking about one complete season.

As for Chelsea, I'm not sure I get the comparison. Chelsea brought Mou on and suddenly they won the Premiership for the first time since Queen Elizabeth II last looked like a woman. So they weren't coming to the CL with the same goals that we had at the time of Capello.

Throw in Scolari, and he didn't exactly win anything outside of with Brazil. So I don't know what the point is there. Then toss on Hiddink as a patch solution for Scolari, and I still don't follow.

We weren't great thats is a fact but its a cup competition, its almost impossible to bring a coach to win such a competition.

There's always Benitez.

People forget that they we had a perfectly legit goal against Pool that got disallowed in 04/05.

Absolutely true. But a team that left their fate to a single offsides decision isn't playing to win. We weren't playing to win against 'Pool under Capello. We were playing to not have either side do anything and hope the wind would suddenly blow our way for a moment. Not exactly a winning strategy.

Problem with Capello is that we didn't even seem to want to win the Champions League, looking at how we played.

Exactly what I meant in my last paragraph.

 

[Hust]

Mourinho won CL with Porto but not Inter or Chelsea...not sure what point is being made here by your guys arguments. My point is that a team can win with a good coach loaded with stars, or a good coach without as many stars.

Capello has won:

9 league titles, 4 italian super cups, 1 european super cup, 1 champions league and 2 CL runner ups. (15 total trophies and 2 runner ups)

Ranieri?
Ferrara?
Prandelli?
Gasperini?

Guus has won 13 trophies.
Benitez has won 7 trophies (for top tier teams).
(all wikipedia stats)

15 trophies this guy has won. someone count slowly from 1-15....you get to 2 and that is already more than any manager has won out of all the coaches we have had since Capello was here.

15 trophies is a lot and it sounds like a hell of a lot more than what we have one since............................0.

 

[sateeh]

Inter hasn't fared better in the CL under Mou than under Mancini. But right now we're only talking about one complete season.

As for Chelsea, I'm not sure I get the comparison. Chelsea brought Mou on and suddenly they won the Premiership for the first time since Queen Elizabeth II last looked like a woman. So they weren't coming to the CL with the same goals that we had at the time of Capello.

Throw in Scolari, and he didn't exactly win anything outside of with Brazil. So I don't know what the point is there. Then toss on Hiddink as a patch solution for Scolari, and I still don't follow.



There's always Benitez.



Absolutely true. But a team that left their fate to a single offsides decision isn't playing to win. We weren't playing to win against 'Pool under Capello. We were playing to not have either side do anything and hope the wind would suddenly blow our way for a moment. Not exactly a winning strategy.



Exactly what I meant in my last paragraph.

About Chelsea, they dominated the league in the first year and the natural progression for them was to aim for the CL in the second. They spent a shit load of money, but still even with seemingly a better manager in Mourinho they still fell short. So its not as simple as it is, maybe they wanted it more than we did but ultimately they didn't win.

For me Benitez proves that fact. Here is a guy that was brought in to win the league, and what happens he wins the CL.


We agree on the fact that we should've done better but for our current circumstances I don't see why we would knock the guy back.

Actually the only way we don't go for the likes of Capello for me is to bring in someone that is not a huge name (not inexperienced like Ciro) like a Blanc and rejuvenate the squad.

 

[Fred]

Most of our players were on a downfall, not their peak.
You could have seen that by looking at what happened to Cannavaro, Zambrotta, Thuram, Emerson and Vieira the year after they left Juve.

Age has a lot to do with how you play over the course of the season. In a short competition you won't feel it, but when all your midfielders are 30 or older, they will slow down as the season goes on. And if your midfield slows down, then your entire team slows down.
It's impossible to prove, but I'm 100% sure that the young Arsenal squad wouldn't have ran over us if the match was played in September.

We played an injury stricken team playing against Juve that season. So if we're making assumptions like that let me make mine, i'd say that if a half strength Arsenal team beat a full strength Juve in February, then a full strength Arsenal would beat a full strength Juve in September. But of course there is no way of proving it.

Just in case you were wondering what injuries i am talking about.

Ashley Cole, Gael Clichy, Sol Campbell and Lauren were missing from defense.

Robin Van Persie and Ljungberg were missing too.

We had to play Senderos who was virtually unknown at the time, and we had to play a 20 year old Flamini at leftback.

So comments like that up there are really unfair and downplay an amazing achievement by a young team.

 

[Alen]

So comments like that up there are really unfair and downplay an amazing achievement by a young team.

I can't downplay Arsenal's achievements. It'll be stupid. The team almost won the CL.

But if you followed Juve that season you'll know what I'm talking about. Juve started that season stronger than any other time in our history. We finished the first half of the season with a 17-1-1 record. The players were flying on the pitch.

But starting from March, due to playing the same 13 players all season long, the guys started feeling the fatigue. Right before, during and after the Arsenal matches Juve's record was 1-7-1. In the end we even risked the title, even though we had some 12 pts or more advantage in the league.

No matter how great Arsenal was that season, there was no way to do what they did to Juve in April, in the September-January period.
Eliminate Juve, yes they could have done that in September too, but outrun them like that, no way.
The old legs, the thin bench and the fatigue influenced our performances in the second part of the season.