Fabio Cannavaro (18 Viewers)

[Bjerknes]

We have an inexperienced team, so we should buy experience.

Milan have an experienced team, so they need some young players.


There is no hypocrisy in mocking a team for buying players that it doesn't need, but we need an experienced CB.

No, he is fucking past it. I don't care how much experience a player has, but if he's past it, there's no use.

So yes, it's still hypocrisy because nothing is helped. We have experience with Buffon, Nedved, Del Piero, Trezeguet and Zanetti. If we want an experience center back get one WHO CAN STILL PLAY.

 

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[Bjerknes]

Ariaudo will probably be loaned out, so ironically he wont learn anything from Canna.

Yeah, exactly. So this is quite simply another bullshit transfer.

And you know what, if this player was Emerson, Vieira, Thuram or Zambrotta, the same people who approve of this deal would be against those players most likely. The only saving grace is that Cannavaro is an Azzurri favorite, so that's why at least some people are okay with his signing. Guaranteed.

It's all hypocrisy at this club at the moment right now.

 

[Red]

The average age of our squad and theirs is quite identical.

And experience cant do much when the actual player is 36 and is so good anymore, instead prone to errors.

No, he is fucking past it. I don't care how much experience a player has, but if he's past it, there's no use.

So yes, it's still hypocrisy because nothing is helped. We have experience with Buffon, Nedved, Del Piero, Trezeguet and Zanetti. If we want an experience center back get one WHO CAN STILL PLAY.

I don't necessarily associate experience with age.

I agree that Cannavaro isn't the ideal solution because of his age. However, if this is the only way we can afford to get an experienced CB in addition to a Nedved replacement and a RB (both of which I consider more urgent), then I think signing Cannavaro for a season and getting the top class CB next summer wouldn't be a bad option.

 

[neurosis21]

No, he is fucking past it. I don't care how much experience a player has, but if he's past it, there's no use.

So yes, it's still hypocrisy because nothing is helped. We have experience with Buffon, Nedved, Del Piero, Trezeguet and Zanetti. If we want an experience center back get one WHO CAN STILL PLAY.

1st: nedved is retiring so take him out of the list
2nd: can you tell me where are we going to find the money to buy world class CB,RB,RM and a nedved replacement as everyone wants??
and although canna is not as good as he was in 2006 hes not past it

 

[Bjerknes]

1st: nedved is retiring so take him out of the list
2nd: can you tell me where are we going to find the money to buy world class CB,RB,RM and a nedved replacement as everyone wants??
and although canna is not as good as he was in 2006 hes not past it

We don't technically need another RM. If we would just use the 4-3-3 or 4-3-1-2 we wouldn't need to worry about having a Camoranesi backup.

A CB, RB and a Nedved replacement are our priorities and we should have enough money for that as long as we free up some wage space. Do some deals with trading Tiago/Poulsen/Molinaro et cetera and we could get even more reinforcements.

 

[Byrone]

Its easy IF Canna is not playing every game. You forgot to mention in your tangent what the youngsters will learn not just watching, but what they will be learning from practice EVERY SINGLE DAY. What is the point of practice Byrone? To get better, work on areas of weakness...etc. What better teacher than to teach our young defenders other than Canna. Look at the big picture here, he obviously won't be playing every single game and if he is somehow back to his best then yes, I would hope he plays regularly.

To be a young defender there is a lot you need to learn before being thrown in the deep end because a simple mistake can lead to a game winning goal for the opposition. Even Chiellini our best defender makes blunders. Besides, our young defenders will be a year older with more experience and more practice, its not like they stay stagnate all year long...

DA obviously but your failing to see the point here,he's taking up a first team spot whereas a younger player can develop by gaining experience by playing not by warming the bench.Besides the youngsters are learning from former Juve defensive greats like Pessotto & Ferrara,so you have no base for argument there.Might as well get him to be the reserve team defense coach.

Yes he was amazing prior to his departure but with Ranieri in charge i can bloody guarantee he'll start every match & for all i know Secco might be lazy to look for a suitable replacement.Canna will probably ened up playing until 40yrs old in a Juve jersey.Great stuff

Its not about his undoubted quality he has,its merely about the boards lack of long term vision or stingy approach to strengthening the squad.

And for all those that want to tell me about where are we gonna get better,you wont but at the end of the day Canna was a rookie himself,he didnt become a star over night.It takes time for a player to develop & if these youngsters dont get enough playing time they lose motivation & focus.

 

[rounder]

I really don't understand why someone would oppose this move.

Let's be realistic here, the only world class defender we have in this team is Chiellini, meaning if we want to even think of being serious title contenders next season we need to buy three world class defenders, 2 fullbacks and a CB.

Now, if we can aquire Canna for free, this leaves us with a lot more money to spend on the fullback positions. So instead of spending, say, 40M on three defenders, we would use that money to buy two fullbacks.

If Cannavaro does end up being a huge disappointment by his own standards, he would still be miles ahead of Mellberg or any of the other players we have. I have always considered him to be one of the brightest defenders around. Chiellini is not mature enough to lead our defense, and Legro isn't good enough.

The guy is a world cup winner, a Balon d'or winner, he's won 2 La Liga titles, he's played in Italy before and was easily the best defender in Serie A. That's the type of experience every team needs. At the end of the day, when we end up facing teams like Barca or Liverpool, Cannavaro is the first person I'd want to have in the starting lineup.

 

[rounder]

We don't technically need another RM. If we would just use the 4-3-3 or 4-3-1-2 we wouldn't need to worry about having a Camoranesi backup.

A CB, RB and a Nedved replacement are our priorities and we should have enough money for that as long as we free up some wage space. Do some deals with trading Tiago/Poulsen/Molinaro et cetera and we could get even more reinforcements.

Don't you think we need a LB far more than CB?

I know Criscito will be back but he'n not exactly world class in my opinion.

 

[rounder]

DA obviously but your failing to see the point here,he's taking up a first team spot whereas a younger player can develop by gaining experience by playing not by warming the bench.Besides the youngsters are learning from former Juve defensive greats like Pessotto & Ferrara,so you have no base for argument there.Might as well get him to be the reserve team defense coach.

Yes he was amazing prior to his departure but with Ranieri in charge i can bloody guarantee he'll start every match & for all i know Secco might be lazy to look for a suitable replacement.Canna will probably ened up playing until 40yrs old in a Juve jersey.Great stuff

Its not about his undoubted quality he has,its merely about the boards lack of long term vision or stingy approach to strengthening the squad.

And for all those that want to tell me about where are we gonna get better,you wont but at the end of the day Canna was a rookie himself,he didnt become a star over night.It takes time for a player to develop & if these youngsters dont get enough playing time they lose motivation & focus.

Since Ranieri will probably stay for next season, I really don't see our youngsters getting a chance anyway. They barely got their chances this season, and they probably won't next season even without Cannavaro. We might as well get a seasoned veteran than rely on players like Mellberg or Knezevic.

 

[neurosis21]

I really don't understand why someone would oppose this move.

The guy is a world cup winner, a Balon d'or winner, he's won 2 La Liga titles, he's played in Italy before and was easily the best defender in Serie A. That's the type of experience every team needs. At the end of the day, when we end up facing teams like Barca or Liverpool, Cannavaro is the first person I'd want to have in the starting lineup.

plus he is a starter and the captain of the NT
and he wont harm the dvelopement of our young players too much,they ll learn from him, knowing that in 1-2 years they will be the starters
if we spent 10+mil on a 26year old CB,there goes any hope for ariaudo and co.

 

[Byrone]

Yeah, exactly. So this is quite simply another bullshit transfer.

And you know what, if this player was Emerson, Vieira, Thuram or Zambrotta, the same people who approve of this deal would be against those players most likely. The only saving grace is that Cannavaro is an Azzurri favorite, so that's why at least some people are okay with his signing. Guaranteed.

It's all hypocrisy at this club at the moment right now.

Yup & whats worse is that some fans do evaluations according Fifa,PES & FM & surprise,surprise if their stats are good there then lets get them!Way too much attention to reputations are given & its bs.

 

[rb77]

Yeah, exactly. So this is quite simply another bullshit transfer.

And you know what, if this player was Emerson, Vieira, Thuram or Zambrotta, the same people who approve of this deal would be against those players most likely. The only saving grace is that Cannavaro is an Azzurri favorite, so that's why at least some people are okay with his signing. Guaranteed.

It's all hypocrisy at this club at the moment right now.

im not gonna talk about the rest of the forum, im just gona talk about for my self. i would welcome cana back because we lack experience and he can fill in the void in our central defence. and i would welcome him back because i understand why he left and i respect why he went to spain and not to a rival team. i rate him way higher than zambrotta, and way way way higher than viera and ibrah. i dont give a shit about viera because he meant nothing to us fans, and ibra is an asshole. but cana went because he was the eldest of them and wanted to win the cl. i still have hard feelings for him leaving, but i really do respect the fact he didnt go to a rival team. and its not only about he is an azzuri fav.

 

[RavaneVialli]

...back on the topic anyway...

Canna agent:

“I don't know whether Marcello Lippi encouraged Juve to make this move, I just know that we could sign a multi-year deal".

That's what I'm afraid of. I agree with Andy on this topic, that's probably the first time I could say it.

 

[Alen]

And you know what, if this player was Emerson, Vieira, Thuram or Zambrotta, the same people who approve of this deal would be against those players most likely.

Look at our full backs and tell me if you still think that people here would've been anti-Zambrotta if we had a chance to sign him

 

[Byrone]

Since Ranieri will probably stay for next season, I really don't see our youngsters getting a chance anyway. They barely got their chances this season, and they probably won't next season even without Cannavaro. We might as well get a seasoned veteran than rely on players like Mellberg or Knezevic.

Well then why do you bitch when Giovinco doesnt get his chance to shine?So if Trez is sold this summer & we get a 38yr old replacement that will be ahead of Giovinco in the starting eleven pecking order none of you should bitch about it.

 

[Osman]

Zambrotta would have been 3 times more useful and needed to sign then Canna (difference between Canna and Legro isnt much, but a huuuuuuge gulf between Molinaro, Grygera and Zambro). I dig Canna at his usual self, but now he is 36 and declined, Zambrotta lost a bit of himself, but is still very good, and is 5 years younger then Canna. Would have been way more useful to sign for sure.

 

[rounder]

Well then why do you bitch when Giovinco doesnt get his chance to shine?So if Trez is sold this summer & we get a 38yr old replacement that will be ahead of Giovinco in the starting eleven pecking order none of you should bitch about it.

Because Giovinco is ten times more talented than Marchionni and can offer much much more than Nedved. And we don't need experience in attack, no team does. We need the experience in defense.

 

[JCK]

I really don't understand why someone would oppose this move.

Only because of hate towards the management and the coach. Most of those people you are wondering about will oppose any other move done by the current Juve board. It's crystal clear it's just because of that.

 

[Alen]

Zambrotta would have been 3 times more useful and needed to sign then Canna (difference between Canna and Legro isnt much, but a huuuuuuge gulf between Molinaro, Grygera and Zambro). I dig Canna at his usual self, but now he is 36 and declined, Zambrotta lost a bit of himself, but is still very good, and is 5 years younger then Canna. Would have been way more useful to sign for sure.

You know, about Cannavaro, i really wouldn't mind him if i know for sure that we bought Diego, full back(s) and we were left pennyless. If i know that the choice is Canna or no-one, or Canna or Knezevic, i wouldn't mind him.

But i get the impression that we're first signing Canna and only later we'll start thinking about the rest. This i don't like at all. I hate it actually. It gives me the impression that our directors don't have a good plan, or in other words, they are clueless.

 

[Osman]

Only because of hate towards the management and the coach. Most of those people you are wondering about will oppose any other move done by the current Juve board. It's crystal clear it's just because of that.

Bullshit, Canna is my fav defender, and we still held that level, I would welcome over anyone else, but I watch Real almost weekly, and he is NOT GOOD, I see him in the NT couple of games a year, and he is NOT GOOD. Experience can only carry you so much, he has lost alot, him playing in Italy with more tactical safety will make him look better, but he is still lacking quite a bit individually. And this defence needs certified quality player that we can rely on for years to come, but after years of signing average players, we now sign a 36 year old? And you say the only reason anyone would have against this because one is biased against the board?

Far from it, if they signed quality players in the other positions, i wouldnt mind having Canna around at all, but I know how this board operate, they will try to sell us that Canna alone is the change we need, and not care for much other upgrade, just stick an aged former great 36 year older amongst a cast of average players and hope things fix themselves. This is the 3rd year under them, slow rebuilding process time is over, its time we really bring quality players to this team (and we arent penniless, they can invest if they prioritize the issue), and there is some upside to getting Cannavaro, a legendary defender, but the main thing is he is past it and is 36 year old, and this club wont bother to fix our problems much other then getting him most likely. And I dont know why its being so easily accepted.