[Europa League] JUVENTUS Vs Man. City (16- Dec-2010) (19 Viewers)

[Stevie]

A new wood-warmer? Perhaps.

Maybe so but at least he has better hair and i'd bet he'd sell more jerseys too

 

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[JuveJay]

If you replaced "Europa League" with Champions League, I don't think we would have done much better.

For a start we would have played our strongest team. Secondly our players put everything into CL games because that is a competition that deserves it. So I don't know how you come to that conclusion based on the EL outcome.

If you are talking about the overall level of our squad that is a different story.

 

[Stevie]

He didn't play

Sorry meant Camilleri i just copied the list

 

[JuveJay]

What's there to be cheery about today?

You don't get sarcasm?

 

[Fake Melo]

This Juve would qualify from group-stage in last years CL.

 

[JuveJay]

The league Juve would, not the unfocused rabble we saw in the EL.

 

[Bjerknes]

For a start we would have played our strongest team. Secondly our players put everything into CL games because that is a competition that deserves it. So I don't know how you come to that conclusion based on the EL outcome.

If you are talking about the overall level of our squad that is a different story.

That's your hopeful spin on it, but if we can't beat Lech or Salzburg with any squad we have, clearly we aren't ready for Europe yet. Both as a team and a squad.

 

[swag]

That's your hopeful spin on it, but if we can't beat Lech or Salzburg with any squad we have, clearly we aren't ready for Europe yet. Both as a team and a squad.

That was inexcusable, btw.

 

[JuveJay]

That's your hopeful spin on it, but if we can't beat Lech or Salzburg with any squad we have, clearly we aren't ready for Europe yet. Both as a team and a squad.

Ok so you don't see the huge chasm of difference, I thought it was obvious.

 

[Bjerknes]

Ok so you don't see the huge chasm of difference, I thought it was obvious.

But this was the sort of game the ESPN commentators were playing today. At one point they were claiming City cared about the result, but after Giannetti's goal they suddenly believed Mancini and his team were simply focused on another match because they didn't care about this one. I have a feeling that if we actually managed to play well and won all our games, that the main theme would be we did care and this demonstrates how we are ready for the big time in the Champions League.

I don't buy it. We've fielded strong sides in this competition. Against Lech at home we fielded our top players minus Aquilani, and against Salzburg at home we fielded Krasic, Marchisio, Alex, and Pepe, yet we still couldn't get it done.

There is no excuse for it. The team just wasn't good enough... period.

 

[Joe]

But this was the sort of game the ESPN commentators were playing today. At one point they were claiming City cared about the result, but after Giannetti's goal they suddenly believed Mancini and his team were simply focused on another match because they didn't care about this one. I have a feeling that if we actually managed to play well and won all our games, that the main theme would be we did care and this demonstrates how we are ready for the big time in the Champions League.

I don't buy it. We've fielded strong sides in this competition. Against Lech at home we fielded our top players minus Aquilani, and against Salzburg at home we fielded Krasic, Marchisio, Alex, and Pepe, yet we still couldn't get it done.

There is no excuse for it. The team just wasn't good enough... period.

I agree. Saying we don't care about Europa League is just silly. If we won, which we were certainly trying to do it would have been a whole other story but because we tied every match we just rely on the excuse that oh yeah Juventus is only focusing on the league. Milan is first on the table with a 6pt. advantage, yet they still managed to get to the next round of Champions League - why couldn't we do that? Especially when we had an easier group than Milan. Yes you can say oh well that's Champions League - but we are a building squad and tournaments like these should mean something to us. I guess now we can only say that it was because we didn't have Aquilani or Quagliarella which is why I believe we failed to win any of these games.

 

[JuveJay]

What game? EL - shit, rotated squad. CL - premier club competition in the world, first team. Therefore your point - weak at best.

Of course we should beat Lech at home with any squad we field, strong or not, but it's not just a technical game.

The EL is still a massive second to Serie A whether we qualified or not. Maybe that is more dictated by our league season and the fact that Inter are poorer and we have more to aim for domestically. CL qualification is imperative either way.

 

[JuveJay]

I agree. Saying we don't care about Europa League is just silly. If we won, which we were certainly trying to do it would have been a whole other story but because we tied every match we just rely on the excuse that oh yeah Juventus is only focusing on the league. Milan is first on the table with a 6pt. advantage, yet they still managed to get to the next round of Champions League - why couldn't we do that? Especially when we had an easier group than Milan. Yes you can say oh well that's Champions League - but we are a building squad and tournaments like these should mean something to us. I guess now we can only say that it was because we didn't have Aquilani or Quagliarella which is why I believe we failed to win any of these games.

Again, you are comparing the EL with the CL, and the point about the EL has been talked about over and over, it's a little boring. Anybody who thinks we would put the same into the CL as we did this EL campaign is kidding themselves, and I'm not talking about results.

 

[Joe]

Again, you are comparing the EL with the CL, and the point about the EL has been talked about over and over, it's a little boring. Anybody who thinks we would put the same into the CL as we did this EL campaign is kidding themselves, and I'm not talking about results.

Sure the CL is something more prestigious and the players would be much more motivated to win but to say Europa is just trash and we'd throw it away is kind of dumb too don't you think?

 

[Hydde]

I also have the bad feeling that all this ¨we didnt care, we would have rocked if this were the CL¨is not so true like some said.

We need to change our mentality and we need to deliver.... 6 draws are no coincidence and we need to improve vastly in europe, if not , we will qualify in the CL just to be humiliated like last year.

Lets hope we will be complete and roaring to go next year.... because at this rate....welll you know....

 

[Bjerknes]

What game? EL - shit, rotated squad. CL - premier club competition in the world, first team. Therefore your point - weak at best.

Of course we should beat Lech at home with any squad we field, strong or not, but it's not just a technical game.

The EL is still a massive second to Serie A whether we qualified or not. Maybe that is more dictated by our league season and the fact that Inter are poorer and we have more to aim for domestically. CL qualification is imperative either way.

So you just don't want to admit we were poor, is that it? Because we still started our main players for much of the competition... Krasic, Chiellini, and Melo. The only one that didn't play much was Aquilani.

And you keep going on and on about this just being the EL and that we would have put more effort into the CL. Yet you don't seem to understand that the competition we faced is FAR WORSE than that in the CL, and we still couldn't do anything. So with respect to level of competition, one would suspect a good team would be able to advance despite not putting much effort into it. Isn't that the whole mentality that some folks love, putting the least effort in and getting maximum results? But we didn't do that, we failed.

This club has a long ways to go. And apparently so do the supporters.

 

[Alen]

So you just don't want to admit we were poor, is that it? Because we still started our main players for much of the competition... Krasic, Chiellini, and Melo. The only one that didn't play much was Aquilani.

And you keep going on and on about this just being the EL and that we would have put more effort into the CL. Yet you don't seem to understand that the competition we faced is FAR WORSE than that in the CL, and we still couldn't do anything. So with respect to level of competition, one would suspect a good team would be able to advance despite not putting much effort into it. Isn't that the whole mentality that some folks love, putting the least effort in and getting maximum results? But we didn't do that, we failed.

This club has a long ways to go. And apparently so do the supporters.

Dortmund were too eliminated from the EL groups and, for example, they're doing much better than one Bayern or Schalke (17 pts more than Bayern and 24 points more than Schalke in Bundesliga), who made it to the CL knock-outs.
That we're way too far from the best is not even questionable, but he has a point that we never seemed to give our best in the EL. Beating Salzburg in round 4 was gonna keep us into the game and yet we fielded like 5 primavera players and replaced some of our best players at 0:0, to put primavera guys in their place.

 

[JuveJay]

Sure the CL is something more prestigious and the players would be much more motivated to win but to say Europa is just trash and we'd throw it away is kind of dumb too don't you think?

Yes, although people are being too black and white on the subject and misunderstanding how important mentality is in football, as if our last two seasons aren't a prime example. Because it's not our main target it doesn't mean we didn't care about going out or didn't try, it's just how it panned out when you consider selection plus output from the players. We could quite easily have gone through even playing at 70% such was the group. Really we should have done, I agree with this point.

I also have the bad feeling that all this ¨we didnt care, we would have rocked if this were the CL¨is not so true like some said.

Agree, there is no guarantee of that at all. I think there is a guarantee we would have at least been in the best shape mentally and had the best team available on the field however.

 

[Bjerknes]

I guess now we can only say that it was because we didn't have Aquilani or Quagliarella which is why I believe we failed to win any of these games.

I guess so. That's basically what it comes down to. I'd like to see someone offer that as an argument as to we can't beat Lech Poznan.

I also have the bad feeling that all this ¨we didnt care, we would have rocked if this were the CL¨is not so true like some said.

We need to change our mentality and we need to deliver.... 6 draws are no coincidence and we need to improve vastly in europe, if not , we will qualify in the CL just to be humiliated like last year.

Lets hope we will be complete and roaring to go next year.... because at this rate....welll you know....

Six draws is certainly telling of a side that does care, yet wasn't good enough. If we didn't care we would have lost a couple matches at least.

 

[JuveJay]

So you just don't want to admit we were poor, is that it? Because we still started our main players for much of the competition... Krasic, Chiellini, and Melo. The only one that didn't play much was Aquilani.

Nope, we were poor, for the reasons I gave. That's not the best Juventus, in personnel or performance. Quagliarella too, don't be selective, he's absolutely key.

And you keep going on and on about this just being the EL and that we would have put more effort into the CL. Yet you don't seem to understand that the competition we faced is FAR WORSE than that in the CL, and we still couldn't do anything.

That's exactly it, the competition is worse. You get it?