Euro 2024 General Discussion Thread (44 Viewers)
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I still don't get the logic behind the "clear penalty". Cucurella’s hand was moving toward his body and was pointing downwards. That showed, imo, a clear intention not to stop the ball. Defenders can't go running around all the time with their hands behind their back. They put them there only when they predict/see that there's gonna be a shot. When Cucurella saw that Musiala will shoot, he tried to put his hand next to his body, or behind his back, but while trying to do that the ball hit his hand.
It was a very tricky situation because it probably prevented a goal, so it was gonna be hard to argue against a penalty if given, but, if awarded, Cucurella would have been punished for trying to do the right thing, i.e. not to stop the ball with his hand/arm.
It was a very tricky situation because it probably prevented a goal, so it was gonna be hard to argue against a penalty if given, but, if awarded, Cucurella would have been punished for trying to do the right thing, i.e. not to stop the ball with his hand/arm.
Intention doesn't matter in this case.
He should be with his hands behind his back , not with them flailing around stopping shots on goal.
The only time when it is not given is when the defender uses his hand for balance and cucurela had plenty of balance.
And I am not saying this as a personal opinion .
The rules says it.
He should be with his hands behind his back , not with them flailing around stopping shots on goal.
The only time when it is not given is when the defender uses his hand for balance and cucurela had plenty of balance.
And I am not saying this as a personal opinion .
The rules says it.
Did the hand help him extend the length of his body to be able to block a shot aimed at goal that otherwise he couldn’t have come close to blocking? Yes. Did the shot have any deflection or ricochet off his leg? No. Was it shot from extremely close proximity? No. Do defenders usually keep their hands tucked in when attempting to stop a shot? Yes and it was not the case here as his hand was sideways in the air and in the trajectory of the shot, with the intention not being relevant at this stage as most handballs in the box are usually unintentional other than a few rare exceptions.
That’s a PK for handball each and every time, we’d all be fuming if Juventus would have been refused the same call while you can also rest assured it would have always been awarded against us.
That’s a PK for handball each and every time, we’d all be fuming if Juventus would have been refused the same call while you can also rest assured it would have always been awarded against us.
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I wasn't referring to you specifically 
Anyway, what’s your opinion on it now that you are here?
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Second half was more entertaining with big chances for both sides, both GK’s did an amazing job to keep it 0:0 at that point, but aside from those select minutes when both teams seemed to go for it the rest was rather dull and low risk for the majority of it.
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Well it’s only a couple of us discussing it right now so seems like you are pointing at us.
Anyway, what’s your opinion on it now that you are here?
Anyway, what’s your opinion on it now that you are here?
Overall, perhaps Germany deserved it more, but they got lucky against Denmark, and Spain have been the best/most convincing team throughout the entire tournament. I have no idea why their coach took off Morata, Nico, and Yamal - pussy tactics.
I'm googling the incident. I can't find anything about an offside being the reason for the disallowed goal, but there are a lot of similar/same explanations why the handball wasn't called.
It's pretty much the same with what I am saying. And also this:
"In the pre-tournament briefing, Roberto Rosetti, UEFA's head of referees, gave specific examples of handball penalties. Rosetti showed a clip of the ball hitting a defender's arm which was in a vertical position, close to the body. He said this should not be a penalty and if the arm is close to the body, and not extended to create what could be deemed a barrier, this should not be punished."
"UEFA's pre-tournament briefing on handballs gave a specific example just like Marc Cucurella, saying it should NOT be a handball penalty," Johnson said. "Arm close to the side, pointing predominantly down/vertically, and/or a position behind line of the body."
It's pretty much the same with what I am saying. And also this:
"In the pre-tournament briefing, Roberto Rosetti, UEFA's head of referees, gave specific examples of handball penalties. Rosetti showed a clip of the ball hitting a defender's arm which was in a vertical position, close to the body. He said this should not be a penalty and if the arm is close to the body, and not extended to create what could be deemed a barrier, this should not be punished."
"UEFA's pre-tournament briefing on handballs gave a specific example just like Marc Cucurella, saying it should NOT be a handball penalty," Johnson said. "Arm close to the side, pointing predominantly down/vertically, and/or a position behind line of the body."
https://x.com/PoorEPLreferees/status/1809298964631400778?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1809298964631400778|twgr^5897b2c024e68ea7a32da5185bbb0bc1c0b702ad|twcon^s1_&ref_url=https://www.eurosport.ro/fotbal/euro/2024/de-ce-nu-s-a-dat-penalty-la-hentul-lui-cucurella-in-germania-spania-imaginea-care-a-facut-lumina_sto20015783/story.shtml
https://x.com/marca/status/1809293107520803230?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1809293107520803230|twgr^5897b2c024e68ea7a32da5185bbb0bc1c0b702ad|twcon^s1_&ref_url=https://www.eurosport.ro/fotbal/euro/2024/de-ce-nu-s-a-dat-penalty-la-hentul-lui-cucurella-in-germania-spania-imaginea-care-a-facut-lumina_sto20015783/story.shtml
And în your article it says "arm close to the body" , which cucurela definetly doesn't have .
Cucurela hand is extend from his body as you can obviously see from the images
Both taken from a Eurosport article in my native language .
https://x.com/marca/status/1809293107520803230?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1809293107520803230|twgr^5897b2c024e68ea7a32da5185bbb0bc1c0b702ad|twcon^s1_&ref_url=https://www.eurosport.ro/fotbal/euro/2024/de-ce-nu-s-a-dat-penalty-la-hentul-lui-cucurella-in-germania-spania-imaginea-care-a-facut-lumina_sto20015783/story.shtml
And în your article it says "arm close to the body" , which cucurela definetly doesn't have .
Cucurela hand is extend from his body as you can obviously see from the images
Both taken from a Eurosport article in my native language .
Nah I think he is cleared to play ,but demiral got a suspension .
I think Bellingham got a fine.
He is acting like a real prima dona , like he is playing in some peasent league and whenever he gets touched he should get a foul .
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"Offside" will probably be the official explanation for the ref's decision, but situations like this one should force UEFA to update the penalty rules for cases like this one.
I don't think they can change this one.
Unfortunately it comes down to referee bias.
If a referee has favorites like merda with some peasent team he will not give it .
If it's against Juve it's gonna be a penalty 100%.
I don't know if we can eliminate human bias from the game.
Like with Anthony Taylor , last seconds of the game Kroos blatantly fouls Merino at the 16 yeards box , no foul , then a Spanish player 5 seconds later fouls Kroos the same way as he was carrying the ball out of defense , but Taylor blows for a foul this time .
Definetly human bias at it's finest.
I think Bellingham got a fine.
He is acting like a real prima dona , like he is playing in some peasent league and whenever he gets touched he should get a foul .
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"Offside" will probably be the official explanation for the ref's decision, but situations like this one should force UEFA to update the penalty rules for cases like this one.
Unfortunately it comes down to referee bias.
If a referee has favorites like merda with some peasent team he will not give it .
If it's against Juve it's gonna be a penalty 100%.
I don't know if we can eliminate human bias from the game.
Like with Anthony Taylor , last seconds of the game Kroos blatantly fouls Merino at the 16 yeards box , no foul , then a Spanish player 5 seconds later fouls Kroos the same way as he was carrying the ball out of defense , but Taylor blows for a foul this time .
Definetly human bias at it's finest.
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