Euro 2020 - General Talk Thread (55 Viewers)

[sgjuveboy]

ITALIA ITALIA ITALIA!
Italian is basically ran by Juve DNA.
Looking at how Juve has always performed with large balls in European finals, I will say Italy will win the final by three goals or more.
Goals by insigne, bernadeschi, and bonucci.
These players have never let their nation or clubs down in finals. Absolute clutch.

 

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[BayernFan]

 

[GiocataGrande]

I have nothing against Englands team, in fact i think they have a very strong generation going and a lot of great talent.

What i cant stand is their fans.

 

[Buck Fuddy]

I have nothing against Englands team, in fact i think they have a very strong generation going and a lot of great talent.

What i cant stand is their fans.

They are probably the best squad currently. Or at least the most complete one.

I never watch the Premier League myself, so most of my knowledge about them is based on what I read or hear from others, but some of their players who are considered as a "joke" have been pretty impressive.
Take a guy like Maguire. Of course his transfer price was inflated, of course he's not the most technically gifted player out there, etc. But what brilliant a defender!


Talking about inflated transfer prices (for defenders): on my local network there was discussion in their Euro 2020 show last night between some pundits. They all agreed De Ligt was a perfect example of a player/defender not being worth what we paid for him. I thought that was an interesting take.

 

[GiocataGrande]

They are probably the best squad currently. Or at least the most complete one.

I never watch the Premier League myself, so most of my knowledge about them is based on what I read or hear from others, but some of their players who are considered as a "joke" have been pretty impressive.
Take a guy like Maguire. Of course his transfer price was inflated, of course he's not the most technically gifted player out there, etc. But what brilliant a defender!


Talking about inflated transfer prices (for defenders): on my local network there was discussion in their Euro 2020 show last night between some pundits. They all agreed De Ligt was a perfect example of a player/defender not being worth what we paid for him. I thought that was an interesting take.

Lol where is your local network??

That take is much more suited to Maguirre than De Ligt. De Ligt is a generational talent and has the world in front of him. Even tho his start at Juve hasnt been perfect, you can see the potential for greatness .

Maguirre on the other hand is a sturdy but very limited defender and extremely over priced also. I dont know how they have the audacity to call De Ligt over priced when compared to maguire

 

[Clamarc]

Denmark to win 2-1 tonight

 

[Ronn]

ITALIA ITALIA ITALIA!
Italian is basically ran by Juve DNA.
Looking at how Juve has always performed with large balls in European finals, I will say Italy will win the final by three goals or more.
Goals by insigne, bernadeschi, and bonucci.
These players have never let their nation or clubs down in finals. Absolute clutch.

Pathetic trolling. Not that I care but it must be exhausting to think always of ways to troll while not overdoing it to avoid a ban.

 

[swag]

Luis Enrique, showing mutual respect, seems like a nice guy.


“Happy for what I saw, the level was incredible between two quality teams who tried to play good football. I think it was a spectacle for afficionados of the sport.
“I congratulate Italy and hope they can put in another fine performance in the Final, trying to win the trophy.
“I have no regrets. Everyone has to do his job and do all that he can. Italy started with extraordinary intensity, so did we, it was like two sportscars racing each other, head-to-head, and some of the best football we’ve seen in the Euros.”
Luis Enrique seemed to completely stump Roberto Mancini by using a False 9, leaving both Alvaro Morata and Gerard Moreno on the bench.
“I saw Chiellini and Bonucci deal with Lukaku and thought maybe it’s better to take away a reference point, add another body in midfield. It was a good plan, we overcame the Italy press and played really well.
“It won’t be good for the English, but yes, I will cheer on Italy in the Final.”

He is a class guy. And this Spain team, IMO, wasn't that good. But it has youth and will get better.

But I cannot forgive the guy for the complete Guardiola-level brain fart it took to start a semifinal with Morata, Moreno, and Llorente -- arguably three of Spain's best attacking players -- sitting on the bench. That was madness.

 

[Buck Fuddy]

Lol where is your local network??

That take is much more suited to Maguirre than De Ligt. De Ligt is a generational talent and has the world in front of him. Even tho his start at Juve hasnt been perfect, you can see the potential for greatness .

Maguirre on the other hand is a sturdy but very limited defender and extremely over priced also. I dont know how they have the audacity to call De Ligt over priced when compared to maguire

Belgium.

And yes, the discussion (if you can call it that) started with Maguire. As the prime example of being insanely overpriced. De Ligt was mentioned as another example.
I though that was interesting because, afaik, De Ligt is never mentioned as an example in these kinds of discussions.

 

[GiocataGrande]

Belgium.

And yes, the discussion (if you can call it that) started with Maguire. As the prime example of being insanely overpriced. De Ligt was mentioned as another example.
I though that was interesting because, afaik, De Ligt is never mentioned as an example in these kinds of discussions.

I see.

De Ligt is money well spent in my opinion at least, and i would think that most Juve supporters would agree on that (at least thats my assumption).

 

[IliveForJuve]

ITALIA ITALIA ITALIA!
Italian is basically ran by Juve DNA.
Looking at how Juve has always performed with large balls in European finals, I will say Italy will win the final by three goals or more.
Goals by insigne, bernadeschi, and bonucci.
These players have never let their nation or clubs down in finals. Absolute clutch.

Cringe

 

[Strickland]

They are probably the best squad currently. Or at least the most complete one.

I never watch the Premier League myself, so most of my knowledge about them is based on what I read or hear from others, but some of their players who are considered as a "joke" have been pretty impressive.
Take a guy like Maguire. Of course his transfer price was inflated, of course he's not the most technically gifted player out there, etc. But what brilliant a defender!


Talking about inflated transfer prices (for defenders): on my local network there was discussion in their Euro 2020 show last night between some pundits. They all agreed De Ligt was a perfect example of a player/defender not being worth what we paid for him. I thought that was an interesting take.

de Ligt is young, already among the best in his position and we'll almost definitely recoup all of that investment and then some. you could discuss his wages though.

Maguire is at an age were its certain that most of what ManUtd paid for him won't be recouped even if they sell him.

 

[Gigiventus]

He is a class guy. And this Spain team, IMO, wasn't that good. But it has youth and will get better.

But I cannot forgive the guy for the complete Guardiola-level brain fart it took to start a semifinal with Morata, Moreno, and Llorente -- arguably three of Spain's best attacking players -- sitting on the bench. That was madness.

Playing with a false 9 is what allowed Spain to dominate the midfield in the way they did. Had they started with Morata or Moreno at 9 we would have had more of the ball and an easier time playing out of the back.

With Olmo and Oyarzabal playing between the lines it made it easier for Spain to get most contested balls whenever they pressed.

Of course then they lacked finishers but imo if they had started with their usual system we would have won this game in 90 minutes without nowhere near as many problems as we had.

Their tactics tired our players so much, with more numbers in midfield they were always better positioned to recover balls that our players kept arriving late to. By late in the second half Spain had a lot more energy and when the strikers came in they could continue to dominate in midfield at this point.

Enrique did great.

 

[pavelnel]

Belgium.

And yes, the discussion (if you can call it that) started with Maguire. As the prime example of being insanely overpriced. De Ligt was mentioned as another example.
I though that was interesting because, afaik, De Ligt is never mentioned as an example in these kinds of discussions.

De Ligt is overpriced as shit. Only Juve fans can't accept that fact and say BS as "generational talent" etc.
A "generational talent" who has not had an exceptional game on international stage for his club or country for two years and was the main culprit for Netherlands to leave Euro 2020.

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[swag]

Playing with a false 9 is what allowed Spain to dominate the midfield in the way they did. Had they started with Morata or Moreno at 9 we would have had more of the ball and an easier time playing out of the back.

With Olmo and Oyarzabal playing between the lines it made it easier for Spain to get most contested balls whenever they pressed.

Of course then they lacked finishers but imo if they had started with their usual system we would have won this game in 90 minutes without nowhere near as many problems as we had.

Their tactics tired our players so much, with more numbers in midfield they were always better positioned to recover balls that our players kept arriving late to. By late in the second half Spain had a lot more energy and when the strikers came in they could continue to dominate in midfield at this point.

Enrique did great.

But a False 9 against Italy? A possession game without attacking teeth against a team that's one of the happiest to absorb pressure without the ball? With a counterattacking threat in Insigne and Chiesa? And giving up what got you into the semifinal once you reached the semifinal?

It's a reckless gamble at best.

Spain had more energy in the second half because they burned out their younger and less offensively skilled players in pressing with little end product -- and then introducing their actual attacking threats off the bench. Maybe that was Enrique's strategy all along: wear them out so that he could pivot the match late to his scorers. But if you're counting on a tying goal at the 80th minute, I have to question the soundness of your plan.

 

[U Picciriddu]

Unlike 2012 when it really was unexpected for Italy to reach the final, I have to say I feel 10 times more confident about us possibly winning this one. Also Denmark and England aren’t a superside like Spain back then winning tournaments back to back.

Hopefully we’ll face England. Beautiful final, damn can’t wait until it’s Sunday.

 

[Elvin]

Unlike 2012 when it really was unexpected for Italy to reach the final, I have to say I feel 10 times more confident about us possibly winning this one. Also Denmark and England aren’t a superside like Spain back then winning tournaments back to back.

Hopefully we’ll face England. Beautiful final, damn can’t wait until it’s Sunday.

Italy-England will be one of those finals where winning will be extra ecstatic and losing extra traumatic.

 

[Gigiventus]

But a False 9 against Italy? A possession game without attacking teeth against a team that's one of the happiest to absorb pressure without the ball? With a counterattacking threat in Insigne and Chiesa? And giving up what got you into the semifinal once you reached the semifinal?

It's a reckless gamble at best.

Spain had more energy in the second half because they burned out their younger and less offensively skilled players in pressing with little end product -- and then introducing their actual attacking threats off the bench. Maybe that was Enrique's strategy all along: wear them out so that he could pivot the match late to his scorers. But if you're counting on a tying goal at the 80th minute, I have to question the soundness of your plan.

It's not like what got them to the semifinal was working great.

They only won 1 match in 90 minutes. The level of play that draws Sweden, Poland, Switzerland would not have been enough last night. This was by far Spain's best match at the euros and it came against the strongest opponent they faced. Enrique deserves the credit for it.

On Italy being the most comfortable absorbing pressure, this was the first time we've done this in 3 years. Mancini had dominated every team we've played in his tenure. This team is at its best controlling the match and Enrique completely took Italy out of its comfort zone.

I have to say I was nervous as we had never seen Mancini's team in this position. Hugely impressed by their resilience and ability to adapt. Yes, with Chiellini, Bonucci, Jorginho, Di Lorenzo, and Donnarumma you have a great core to defend, but after 3 years of attacking football I feared they would be caught off guard. Mancini impressed yet again setting the team to counter attack successfully, the players missed sharpness in some passes and moves but otherwise were great.

 

[swag]

It's not like what got them to the semifinal was working great.

They only won 1 match in 90 minutes. The level of play that draws Sweden, Poland, Switzerland would not have been enough last night. This was by far Spain's best match at the euros and it came against the strongest opponent they faced. Enrique deserves the credit for it.

On Italy being the most comfortable absorbing pressure, this was the first time we've done this in 3 years. Mancini had dominated every team we've played in his tenure. This team is at its best controlling the match and Enrique completely took Italy out of its comfort zone.

I have to say I was nervous as we had never seen Mancini's team in this position. Hugely impressed by their resilience and ability to adapt. Yes, with Chiellini, Bonucci, Jorginho, Di Lorenzo, and Donnarumma you have a great core to defend, but after 3 years of attacking football I feared they would be caught off guard. Mancini impressed yet again setting the team to counter attack successfully, the players missed sharpness in some passes and moves but otherwise were great.

It's true that winning a lot consistently, and how you win them, can lock you in and create an unfamiliar environment when things don't go that way. And Mancini has done a great job of changing the Italian style to continue to attack with the lead instead of the always-lame cries of "catenaccio" by pundits as if it's still 1962 Inter on the pitch with a sweeper.

But Enrique completely blinked then... had to abandon the gameplan and the core players that got him there. (Talk of Morata's abductor aside, he at least could have just as easily started to be subbed off early.) In that sense, Italy partly won this match before a ball was even kicked.

As I mentioned in the Morata thread, when Italy tifosi were freaking out about "getting killed" on the pitch -- and yes they once had zero attempts at goal vs Spain's 6 (with 1 on target) -- I felt there was no teeth in what Spain was throwing at them.

 

[Osman]

His tournament is just over, but we cant let this kid's presence go unnoticed, what a player! Just a kid and plays in a game against a tough opponent like Italy, in an Euro semifinal, as if he was a veteran.


What a supreme player already at 18 (and we saw as Juve fans what he did at 17 in his CL debute vs us). Just quitely and consistently going about his way in ridicolous quality level at such a tender age, not even Iniesta or Xavi were this consistent at this age. Uncanny sense and quality to take the right decisions, open up opponents and play with subdued fearlessness that examplifies the consistent quality talent he has been so far in his young first top level season career.


Will be exciting to see this talent develop further. It wouldnt suprise me in a decade or two , that this kid turns out to be THE midfielder of his generation.






And here's the token clip of his young career so far, he is not your headlines or highlight plays grabbing only type of player, but man is he fun to see operate at any small moment during a game.