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Seven

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Jun 25, 2003
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I have to say the Italian press are starting to annoy me.

It's always this narrative of 'uniti contro tutti'. Always going on about how everyone is against them.

Italy are by far the most popular team in this tournament. Everyone, me included, wants them to win it.
 

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Alen

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Spain has this Portugal 2016/Croatia 2018 vibe. Every match is a mountain climbed after extra-time or penalties, but they still keep going.
Italy reminds me of the Czech 2004 team. Didn't start as top favorites, but played the best football in the tournament. Lost in the semis.
 

Elvin

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Nov 25, 2005
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I have to say the Italian press are starting to annoy me.

It's always this narrative of 'uniti contro tutti'. Always going on about how everyone is against them.

Italy are by far the most popular team in this tournament. Everyone, me included, wants them to win it.
It's probably aimed at the defensive football stereotype Italians have to deal with still.
 

Strickland

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May 17, 2019
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I have to say the Italian press are starting to annoy me.

It's always this narrative of 'uniti contro tutti'. Always going on about how everyone is against them.

Italy are by far the most popular team in this tournament. Everyone, me included, wants them to win it.
Nah, the most popular one for sure is England, for the casual viewer they have the Premier league appeal + the old myth about how football is tougher in Brittain and how they don't dive as much as the south europeans, they're the honest paladins of national football teams. The 2nd one would be Germany due to the sheer volume of their population and the diversity of their team. Then the nations like Italy, Spain, France, Portugal follow, but for some reason Italy usually is hated by a lot of the neutrals, I remember a lot of unhappy people when they won in 2006.
 

lgorTudor

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Nah, the most popular one for sure is England, for the casual viewer they have the Premier league appeal + the old myth about how football is tougher in Brittain and how they don't dive as much as the south europeans, they're the honest paladins of national football teams. The 2nd one would be Germany due to the sheer volume of their population and the diversity of their team. Then the nations like Italy, Spain, France, Portugal follow, but for some reason Italy usually is hated by a lot of the neutrals, I remember a lot of unhappy people when they won in 2006.
You're talking historically but for this particular tournament with the four remaining teams Seven is right. This England team is seen as scrappy and lucky to only play shit teams. Spain is seen like an empty shell of a team anyway. Italy is loved for having reinvented themselves from muh catenaccio to youthful play. I imagine Italian media do this to keep the team spirit up.
 

Xperd

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Nah, the most popular one for sure is England, for the casual viewer they have the Premier league appeal + the old myth about how football is tougher in Brittain and how they don't dive as much as the south europeans, they're the honest paladins of national football teams. The 2nd one would be Germany due to the sheer volume of their population and the diversity of their team. Then the nations like Italy, Spain, France, Portugal follow, but for some reason Italy usually is hated by a lot of the neutrals, I remember a lot of unhappy people when they won in 2006.
We're talking about this tournament in particular though and given the way Italy have played, even a lot of haters and critics are rooting for them.

Also Italy in recent years have been a mediocre NT given their lofty standards so there is some sympathy in that respect too.
 

Seven

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Jun 25, 2003
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You're talking historically but for this particular tournament with the four remaining teams Seven is right. This England team is seen as scrappy and lucky to only play shit teams. Spain is seen like an empty shell of a team anyway. Italy is loved for having reinvented themselves from muh catenaccio to youthful play. I imagine Italian media do this to keep the team spirit up.
This is probably true. If they keep that sentiment going, the team will be stronger for it.

If they can pull it off against Spain (who seem to stumble their way through the tournament, but may end up winning it), I'm fairly confident they can beat England as well.
 

swag

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remember when Ribery and Evra started an uprising in the middle of the 2010 WC
Every time I question why Belgium hired Roberto Martinez, I remember that France was coached by Ray Domenech.

" -There is an Italian club involved in human traffic "

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Adrian Mutu get in another car crash and cocaine bust?

I have to say the Italian press are starting to annoy me.

It's always this narrative of 'uniti contro tutti'. Always going on about how everyone is against them.

Italy are by far the most popular team in this tournament. Everyone, me included, wants them to win it.
It's the cliché us-against-the-world attitude to cop. Silicon Valley is rife with it -- you get billionaires at one of the biggest market cap companies on the planet and they're still going with the "We're a tiny startup that's going to disrupt the establishment and take on the world!"

You are the establishment, douchebag.

People make it a strategy to delude no one else but themselves.

Spain has this Portugal 2016/Croatia 2018 vibe. Every match is a mountain climbed after extra-time or penalties, but they still keep going.
Italy reminds me of the Czech 2004 team. Didn't start as top favorites, but played the best football in the tournament. Lost in the semis.
I forget where I wrote the same thing about Spain. In these rounds, it's all about surviving -- not style points. And Spain has been deceptively hard to kill off, even if they don't seem to be playing well.

I do wonder what Italy can achieve without Spinazzola bombing down the wing, though. They don't see to have the right personnel for that style now and would have to adjust with alternatives when they need a goal ... sending the old men CBs forward or something to mix things up.

Everytime a team starts talking about the final they go and lose the semi finals.
Every year it seems 3 out of the 4 semifinalists are guilty of exactly that and go out losers. Funny how that happens...
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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Every time I question why Belgium hired Roberto Martinez, I remember that France was coached by Ray Domenech.
I think it's just because of the money. Give us someone with the quality of Mancini or Conte and we're contenders in 2022.

I also must admit I hate Martinez. I hate everything about him. The dude is a lying piece of shit who is all about form over substance (and he doesn't even get the form part right).
 

Gigiventus

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Mar 3, 2017
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Where is the Italian press saying that everyone is against us though?

Most press is absolutely positive in this euros.

For example after every match Gazzetta compiles the cover of foreign sports papers (Marca, L'Equipe, etc.) about Italy's match and its always positive so far. So Gazzetta editorializes things such as "this Italy enamors europe". It even feels a bit overboard, it's strange to read only positive things about the nazionale.

I'm sure there will be some journalists saying the opposite, but most press I read at least has been very positive about the team, and very positive and people's opinion of the team. It's something I haven't seen in a long time, usually we aren't particularly well liked due to our football style.
 
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