Not every single italian team, just inter, milan, roma, lazio, viola, napoli, genoa.
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I do understand that this kind of hatred against other clubs is a elemental part of football, but it is also crucial to understand that you need this rivalry in order to keep football interesting. If you take a step away from the heat, you will realize this. Wishing the worst for Inter is understandable, but clubs like Genoa and Fiorentina are nothing but harmless bugs to me.
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I'll look at this thread tomorrow. I know it will be a pretty heated discussion then.
Night, night.
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I'll look at this thread tomorrow. I know it will be a pretty heated discussion then.
Night, night.
i am actually really serious about this fan business, i cant stand the sight of our rivals let alone root for them, and this has to do with many things, one being that I have actually been a fan for quite some time and thus know and have lived a bit of the history, two, theres this little thing called calciopoli not sure if you have heard of it.
now onto your silly statements:
"good results in Europe will also mean a stronger Serie A and therefore a stronger Juventus" how? This statement imo is the most naive and stupidest in this page, serie a is suffering for monetary reasons which have close to nothing to do with how serie a teams are doing in EL. Moreover, this is the strongest juve has been since calciopoli and this is the worst serie A has been in God knows how long, as a matter of fact over the last 2 years serie A kept getting worse and juve better. Moreover, as Milan and Inter have been faltering new sides are emerging to fill the gap.
"ignoring Italian teams in Europe won't make you a better fan. Only ignorant. " either you are ignorant of this thing called reading, or you yourself ignore what people say to read what you want to read, not rooting for for the teams doesnt mean i am not following. As you can see there's a lot of ignorance there, and all pointing to your direction.
and btw it's "to affect" not "to effect", you're welcome.
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where did you sit in the juve inter one? as for barca-real lol
now onto your silly statements:
"good results in Europe will also mean a stronger Serie A and therefore a stronger Juventus" how? This statement imo is the most naive and stupidest in this page, serie a is suffering for monetary reasons which have close to nothing to do with how serie a teams are doing in EL. Moreover, this is the strongest juve has been since calciopoli and this is the worst serie A has been in God knows how long, as a matter of fact over the last 2 years serie A kept getting worse and juve better. Moreover, as Milan and Inter have been faltering new sides are emerging to fill the gap.
"ignoring Italian teams in Europe won't make you a better fan. Only ignorant. " either you are ignorant of this thing called reading, or you yourself ignore what people say to read what you want to read, not rooting for for the teams doesnt mean i am not following. As you can see there's a lot of ignorance there, and all pointing to your direction.
and btw it's "to affect" not "to effect", you're welcome.
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where did you sit in the juve inter one? as for barca-real lol
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4 Italy 64.147
Just because I have only been a member on this forum for one year doesn't mean that I have only supported Juventus for the same amount of time.
Let's get a few things clear. Performing well in Europe doesn't necessarily mean Serie A will get stronger. Other factors like stadiums, youth development, not to mention how well individual clubs are being run economically are more important. However, this doesn't mean that the performances of Italian teams in Europe don't matter. First of all, Europe is a great showcase for Italian football. Fans who otherwise don't watch Italian football might be interested by seeing Juventus destroy Chelsea or by watching Lazio give some good performances in Europa League. This could potentially lead to more popularity for Serie A and more viewers as well as more sold merchandise. People who otherwise thought Serie A was a boring defensive league might chance their mind. While I don't care about these individuals personally, more viewers benefit the league financially. Seeing that we are able to defeat a team like Chelsea will also attract players. It proves that our league maybe isn't that bad after all and that we really are a competitive and interesting team.
Good performances in Europe are also important when it comes to the UEFA rankings. 4 Champions League spots are crucial. Fiorentina would have a much easier job keeping their biggest players (Jojo) and attracting new ones if the 4th place actually gave a Champions League spot. Good players want to play Champions League football - it's as simple as that. A Champions League spot is of course also crucial financially.
Let me put it this way: Do you think it doesn't matter whether or not Italian teams perform in Europe?
What I simply meant by my statement is that if you know Italian teams are playing in Europe and don't care about their performances, it doesn't make you a better fan. It means that you either don't think their performances in Europe matter or that you simply don't care about Italian football in general. If you think the latter and still don't support Italian teams in Europe, I simply don't get it. Of course there is also a third reason; hatred. I would never support a team like Inter because of the history, but I don't see why you wouldn't support Lazio in Europa League for example (I'm not going into the stupid nazi debate btw...).
Good Europa League or Champions League results probably won't save Italy, but it could at least help stopping the huge drop in quality just a little bit and give some capital injections to the clubs.
I wrote that post 1 AM as the last thing before I went to bed, and English isn't my mother tongue. Furthermore, I actually used the right word further down in my post. Do you really think it was necessary to correct me?
I apologize about potential mistakes in this post in advance.
Let's get a few things clear. Performing well in Europe doesn't necessarily mean Serie A will get stronger. Other factors like stadiums, youth development, not to mention how well individual clubs are being run economically are more important. However, this doesn't mean that the performances of Italian teams in Europe don't matter. First of all, Europe is a great showcase for Italian football. Fans who otherwise don't watch Italian football might be interested by seeing Juventus destroy Chelsea or by watching Lazio give some good performances in Europa League. This could potentially lead to more popularity for Serie A and more viewers as well as more sold merchandise. People who otherwise thought Serie A was a boring defensive league might chance their mind. While I don't care about these individuals personally, more viewers benefit the league financially. Seeing that we are able to defeat a team like Chelsea will also attract players. It proves that our league maybe isn't that bad after all and that we really are a competitive and interesting team.
Good performances in Europe are also important when it comes to the UEFA rankings. 4 Champions League spots are crucial. Fiorentina would have a much easier job keeping their biggest players (Jojo) and attracting new ones if the 4th place actually gave a Champions League spot. Good players want to play Champions League football - it's as simple as that. A Champions League spot is of course also crucial financially.
Let me put it this way: Do you think it doesn't matter whether or not Italian teams perform in Europe?
What I simply meant by my statement is that if you know Italian teams are playing in Europe and don't care about their performances, it doesn't make you a better fan. It means that you either don't think their performances in Europe matter or that you simply don't care about Italian football in general. If you think the latter and still don't support Italian teams in Europe, I simply don't get it. Of course there is also a third reason; hatred. I would never support a team like Inter because of the history, but I don't see why you wouldn't support Lazio in Europa League for example (I'm not going into the stupid nazi debate btw...).
Good Europa League or Champions League results probably won't save Italy, but it could at least help stopping the huge drop in quality just a little bit and give some capital injections to the clubs.
I wrote that post 1 AM as the last thing before I went to bed, and English isn't my mother tongue. Furthermore, I actually used the right word further down in my post. Do you really think it was necessary to correct me?
I apologize about potential mistakes in this post in advance.
Just because I have only been a member on this forum for one year doesn't mean that I have only supported Juventus for the same amount of time.
Let's get a few things clear. Performing well in Europe doesn't necessarily mean Serie A will get stronger. Other factors like stadiums, youth development, not to mention how well individual clubs are being run economically are more important. However, this doesn't mean that the performances of Italian teams in Europe don't matter. First of all, Europe is a great showcase for Italian football. Fans who otherwise don't watch Italian football might be interested by seeing Juventus destroy Chelsea or by watching Lazio give some good performances in Europa League. This could potentially lead to more popularity for Serie A and more viewers as well as more sold merchandise. People who otherwise thought Serie A was a boring defensive league might chance their mind. While I don't care about these individuals personally, more viewers benefit the league financially. Seeing that we are able to defeat a team like Chelsea will also attract players. It proves that our league maybe isn't that bad after all and that we really are a competitive and interesting team.
Good performances in Europe are also important when it comes to the UEFA rankings. 4 Champions League spots are crucial. Fiorentina would have a much easier job keeping their biggest players (Jojo) and attracting new ones if the 4th place actually gave a Champions League spot. Good players want to play Champions League football - it's as simple as that. A Champions League spot is of course also crucial financially.
Let me put it this way: Do you think it doesn't matter whether or not Italian teams perform in Europe?
What I simply meant by my statement is that if you know Italian teams are playing in Europe and don't care about their performances, it doesn't make you a better fan. It means that you either don't think their performances in Europe matter or that you simply don't care about Italian football in general. If you think the latter and still don't support Italian teams in Europe, I simply don't get it. Of course there is also a third reason; hatred. I would never support a team like Inter because of the history, but I don't see why you wouldn't support Lazio in Europa League for example (I'm not going into the stupid nazi debate btw...).
Good Europa League or Champions League results probably won't save Italy, but it could at least help stopping the huge drop in quality just a little bit and give some capital injections to the clubs.
I wrote that post 1 AM as the last thing before I went to bed, and English isn't my mother tongue. Furthermore, I actually used the right word further down in my post. Do you really think it was necessary to correct me?
I apologize about potential mistakes in this post in advance.
Let's get a few things clear. Performing well in Europe doesn't necessarily mean Serie A will get stronger. Other factors like stadiums, youth development, not to mention how well individual clubs are being run economically are more important. However, this doesn't mean that the performances of Italian teams in Europe don't matter. First of all, Europe is a great showcase for Italian football. Fans who otherwise don't watch Italian football might be interested by seeing Juventus destroy Chelsea or by watching Lazio give some good performances in Europa League. This could potentially lead to more popularity for Serie A and more viewers as well as more sold merchandise. People who otherwise thought Serie A was a boring defensive league might chance their mind. While I don't care about these individuals personally, more viewers benefit the league financially. Seeing that we are able to defeat a team like Chelsea will also attract players. It proves that our league maybe isn't that bad after all and that we really are a competitive and interesting team.
Good performances in Europe are also important when it comes to the UEFA rankings. 4 Champions League spots are crucial. Fiorentina would have a much easier job keeping their biggest players (Jojo) and attracting new ones if the 4th place actually gave a Champions League spot. Good players want to play Champions League football - it's as simple as that. A Champions League spot is of course also crucial financially.
Let me put it this way: Do you think it doesn't matter whether or not Italian teams perform in Europe?
What I simply meant by my statement is that if you know Italian teams are playing in Europe and don't care about their performances, it doesn't make you a better fan. It means that you either don't think their performances in Europe matter or that you simply don't care about Italian football in general. If you think the latter and still don't support Italian teams in Europe, I simply don't get it. Of course there is also a third reason; hatred. I would never support a team like Inter because of the history, but I don't see why you wouldn't support Lazio in Europa League for example (I'm not going into the stupid nazi debate btw...).
Good Europa League or Champions League results probably won't save Italy, but it could at least help stopping the huge drop in quality just a little bit and give some capital injections to the clubs.
I wrote that post 1 AM as the last thing before I went to bed, and English isn't my mother tongue. Furthermore, I actually used the right word further down in my post. Do you really think it was necessary to correct me?
I apologize about potential mistakes in this post in advance.
Just because I have only been a member on this forum for one year doesn't mean that I have only supported Juventus for the same amount of time.
Let's get a few things clear. Performing well in Europe doesn't necessarily mean Serie A will get stronger. Other factors like stadiums, youth development, not to mention how well individual clubs are being run economically are more important. However, this doesn't mean that the performances of Italian teams in Europe don't matter. First of all, Europe is a great showcase for Italian football. Fans who otherwise don't watch Italian football might be interested by seeing Juventus destroy Chelsea or by watching Lazio give some good performances in Europa League. This could potentially lead to more popularity for Serie A and more viewers as well as more sold merchandise. People who otherwise thought Serie A was a boring defensive league might chance their mind. While I don't care about these individuals personally, more viewers benefit the league financially. Seeing that we are able to defeat a team like Chelsea will also attract players. It proves that our league maybe isn't that bad after all and that we really are a competitive and interesting team.
Good performances in Europe are also important when it comes to the UEFA rankings. 4 Champions League spots are crucial. Fiorentina would have a much easier job keeping their biggest players (Jojo) and attracting new ones if the 4th place actually gave a Champions League spot. Good players want to play Champions League football - it's as simple as that. A Champions League spot is of course also crucial financially.
Let me put it this way: Do you think it doesn't matter whether or not Italian teams perform in Europe?
What I simply meant by my statement is that if you know Italian teams are playing in Europe and don't care about their performances, it doesn't make you a better fan. It means that you either don't think their performances in Europe matter or that you simply don't care about Italian football in general. If you think the latter and still don't support Italian teams in Europe, I simply don't get it. Of course there is also a third reason; hatred. I would never support a team like Inter because of the history, but I don't see why you wouldn't support Lazio in Europa League for example (I'm not going into the stupid nazi debate btw...).
Good Europa League or Champions League results probably won't save Italy, but it could at least help stopping the huge drop in quality just a little bit and give some capital injections to the clubs.
I wrote that post 1 AM as the last thing before I went to bed, and English isn't my mother tongue. Furthermore, I actually used the right word further down in my post. Do you really think it was necessary to correct me?
I apologize about potential mistakes in this post in advance.
Let's get a few things clear. Performing well in Europe doesn't necessarily mean Serie A will get stronger. Other factors like stadiums, youth development, not to mention how well individual clubs are being run economically are more important. However, this doesn't mean that the performances of Italian teams in Europe don't matter. First of all, Europe is a great showcase for Italian football. Fans who otherwise don't watch Italian football might be interested by seeing Juventus destroy Chelsea or by watching Lazio give some good performances in Europa League. This could potentially lead to more popularity for Serie A and more viewers as well as more sold merchandise. People who otherwise thought Serie A was a boring defensive league might chance their mind. While I don't care about these individuals personally, more viewers benefit the league financially. Seeing that we are able to defeat a team like Chelsea will also attract players. It proves that our league maybe isn't that bad after all and that we really are a competitive and interesting team.
Good performances in Europe are also important when it comes to the UEFA rankings. 4 Champions League spots are crucial. Fiorentina would have a much easier job keeping their biggest players (Jojo) and attracting new ones if the 4th place actually gave a Champions League spot. Good players want to play Champions League football - it's as simple as that. A Champions League spot is of course also crucial financially.
Let me put it this way: Do you think it doesn't matter whether or not Italian teams perform in Europe?
What I simply meant by my statement is that if you know Italian teams are playing in Europe and don't care about their performances, it doesn't make you a better fan. It means that you either don't think their performances in Europe matter or that you simply don't care about Italian football in general. If you think the latter and still don't support Italian teams in Europe, I simply don't get it. Of course there is also a third reason; hatred. I would never support a team like Inter because of the history, but I don't see why you wouldn't support Lazio in Europa League for example (I'm not going into the stupid nazi debate btw...).
Good Europa League or Champions League results probably won't save Italy, but it could at least help stopping the huge drop in quality just a little bit and give some capital injections to the clubs.
I wrote that post 1 AM as the last thing before I went to bed, and English isn't my mother tongue. Furthermore, I actually used the right word further down in my post. Do you really think it was necessary to correct me?
I apologize about potential mistakes in this post in advance.
To answer your questions, i genuinely believe it doesnt matter for juve how italian teams perform in europe, nothing historically supports this, as a matter of fact the opposite holds. As a mater of fact i can successfully argue the main reason juve has "come back" is because serie a was weaker thus allowing us to win the league and get CL revenue at a fairly low "cost"(comparing that to a team like man city).
But even if we are to somehow assume some kind of correlation, juventus has rarely bought marquee players outside the league in recent years, and all these teams and burgeoning leagues have had massive amounts of money injected in them before they started getting reaping the rewards, which is obviously not the case for serie a and unless that changes the teams will never be able to compete with their european counterparts on a regular basis. Would any of the big leagues have a team like Cagliari that doesnt even have a stadium suitable for football?? Which brings us to the next point, inept leadership and crippling bureaucracy supported by the powers that be of the very same league you are trying to save! At this point a failure of this system could very well be the best thing to happen.
Ffs, my phone fucked up my post!
Long story short - it's all about marketing, just take a look at the development in Premier League.
So, I agree with Deneb about the monetary problem.
Edit: as time goes on, I really really hate other Italian clubs, but I understand Völler since I felt the same way once.
Long story short - it's all about marketing, just take a look at the development in Premier League.
So, I agree with Deneb about the monetary problem.
Edit: as time goes on, I really really hate other Italian clubs, but I understand Völler since I felt the same way once.
I agree that it definitely was an advantage for us that the league was weak. This allowed us to win the league and give us this comeback fairly quickly. However, now we are at a position where we are the leaders of the league and way ahead of the rest. We want to improve our team, and it would make it so much easier to attract good players if players and viewers actually thought Serie A was an interesting and competitive league. There's a reason why people like Wenger and Raiola (despite how stupid as they both are) have made fun of Serie A. As I said in my previous post, the main focus should be better run clubs, newer stadiums, more focus on youth etc. for teams in Serie A, but performing well in Europe (hell, even qualifying for a team like Udinese) will give a huge boost as well - both financially and competitively. The income for the European competitions (mainly CL) could very well be the thing that gives the club the possibility to invest further in youth or in a new stadium. You might say that it is not possible to prove that good performances in Europe boost the level of clubs in Serie A - basically because you can't prove it because there are so many factors involved, but it sure as hell doesn't hurt. That's for sure.
