[EU] Champions League 2008/2009 (45 Viewers)

[Martin]

one can try and control, but control of nature is statistically impossible i would say in that case, one has control until one loses it

It's not control of nature, it's control in nature. For instance if you put a book on a table and the table is preventing the book from traveling to the floor, you're not "controlling nature" (absurd as that phrase sounds), you're controlling one force in nature using another force in nature.

in other words Martin, it was a joke

It was to a joke what abstract art is to art

 

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[Alen]

but they neither played football

They didn't play handball either. Barca did.

What were they playing if they weren't playing football? What is football for you? Is it only short and fast passing?
Isn't defending also part of football? Isn't shooting also part of football? Isn't what Drogba did to that poor defender before Valdes saved Drogba's shot also football? Isn't a left footed volley also football?

In Barcelona i can agree with you that Chelsea played very negative, Greece 2004 football, but tonight it was different. Chelsea players spent a lot of time WITH THE BALL in Barcelona's box. You can use the 10 men Barca as the excuse, but it still won't change the fact that Chelsea did attack, unlike what was happening 8 days ago.

 

[Zé Tahir]

It's not control of nature, it's control in nature. For instance if you put a book on a table and the table is preventing the book from traveling to the floor, you're not "controlling nature" (absurd as that phrase sounds), you're controlling one force in nature using another force in nature.



It was to a joke what abstract art is to art

Aaand this is why you should have gone to Wendywood

 

[Henry]

It's not control of nature, it's control in nature. For instance if you put a book on a table and the table is preventing the book from traveling to the floor, you're not "controlling nature" (absurd as that phrase sounds), you're controlling one force in nature using another force in nature.

frankly, i was hoping to avoid a real argument about control, since it is rather a difficult subject foucault?! and yes, you're correct.

It was to a joke what abstract art is to art

ouch i guess that's what happens when one doesn't include a smilie in an internet forum

 

[Esteban]

 

[GordoDeCentral]

panopticon


i think henry meant that in some chivalresque way you play your game's superiority againt the opponent's as opposed to molding your whole stratagem to counter the opposition's.

 

[Henry]

They didn't play handball either. Barca did.

What were they playing if they weren't playing football? What is football for you? Is it only short and fast passing?
Isn't defending also part of football? Isn't shooting also part of football? Isn't what Drogba did to that poor defender before Valdes saved Drogba's shot also football? Isn't a left footed volley also football?

In Barcelona i can agree with you that Chelsea played very negative, Greece 2004 football, but tonight it was different. Chelsea players spent a lot of time WITH THE BALL in Barcelona's box. You can use the 10 men Barca as the excuse, but it still won't change the fact that Chelsea did attack, unlike what was happening 8 days ago.

i never said that barca were the definition of footballing. while playing the way chelsea played IS part of football, but they played the same way that a 4th league team would play against AC Milan. only, they have some tremendous players. chelsea did eventually attack, but over 180 minutes of football, they only actually played for about 20 minutes.

 

[Martin]

Busting your chops there. I'm a little bummed at the outcome tonight. I was zapping in from this movie periodically and things were going to plan like I hadn't expected it to. Was all geared up for a heartily laugh, but then stupid Iniesta

 

[Ahmed]

:melayyanandmessi: Maher's wiener must have fallen off thinking about the Finale

 

[Henry]

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i think henry meant that in some chivalresque way you play your game's superiority againt the opponent's as opposed to molding your whole stratagem to counter the opposition's.

let's just say that while i understand that one can't really do that all the time, resorting to a massed bank of 10 men and hoofing the ball up is pretty much a tacit admission that the other team is simply much better at football

 

[GordoDeCentral]

:melayyanandmessi: Maher's wiener must have fallen off thinking about the Finale

but isnt it the essence of his ways? always having a win to cheer?

 

[GordoDeCentral]

let's just say that while i understand that one can't really do that all the time, resorting to a massed bank of 10 men and hoofing the ball up is pretty much a tacit admission that the other team is simply much better at football

no doubt! especially resorting to make subs in extra time to take the 0-0 home

 

[Henry]

Busting your chops there. I'm a little bummed at the outcome tonight. I was zapping in from this movie periodically and things were going to plan like I hadn't expected it to. Was all geared up for a heartily laugh, but then stupid Iniesta

well, your first post was rather irritating, but i understand your frustration never knew you were a fan of hoofball though, or was it you were so sick of hearing people climaxing every time barca beat some crap team 6-0?

 

[Martin]

no doubt! especially resorting to make subs in extra time to take the 0-0 home

And what exactly was Pep doing with Gudjohnssen in the 94th minute? Oh yeah, "dirty tactics" that actually everyone uses.

 

[Naggar]

if i were ballack i'd have totally punched that pig

seriously there was about 5 denied penalties there

fuck barca and manshitser, what happened to the days juve had a reserved seat in the semi final

 

[GordoDeCentral]

And what exactly was Pep doing with Gudjohnssen in the 94th minute?

settling for a scoreless draw is now tantamount to settling for a ticket to the final?
you at least try to score an away goal for crying out loud


edit: i just saw the addition of "dirty tactics", we re talkikng about admission of superiority which was very obvious in the first leg. as for dirty nothing dirty about managing the clock with subs.

 

[Martin]

well, your first post was rather irritating, but i understand your frustration never knew you were a fan of hoofball though, or was it you were so sick of hearing people climaxing every time barca beat some crap team 6-0?

That's more like it, yes. Also hate their whole political platform about how they're always the victims of injustice and that crap.

 

[Naggar]

And what exactly was Pep doing with Gudjohnssen in the 94th minute? Oh yeah, "dirty tactics" that actually everyone uses.

you mean like marchionni in and camoranesi out when you're down by a goal or two
oh and make giovinco and trezeguet get ready... for not playing

 

[Alen]

panopticon


i think henry meant that in some chivalresque way you play your game's superiority againt the opponent's as opposed to molding your whole stratagem to counter the opposition's.

But in that case they should have given the trophy to Barcelona in September because no team in the world can be superior to Barcelona in the same way Barcelona can be superior to the others.
No team can play open football against Barca without being defeated. That's why you must outsmart them. And that's what Chelsea were doing for +180 minutes. Many tried to play total defense against Barcelona but all failed. Chelsea had the players to do it and it would've been a suicide if they didn't take advantage of that.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

I agree. But you forget that Chelsea also kept believing even after the conceded goal. They created a chance for Ballack, he shot the ball, it was going towards the goal, but Keita (was it him?) stopped it with his hand.
It must have been a penalty, deliberate handball or not, it must have been a penalty.

Just put Juve in Chelsea's situation and tell me if you'd have asked for a penalty (not only you, everyone here) if a Barca player stopped Del Piero's shot that way?

I would have not done anything if Juve was in that place and Delpie's shot was stopped.

back to the ball at the 95th minute? no sane un-moggi tampered ref will call that

Agree.

he didnt even touch him, how is it red? the only penalty none given was pique's. to me it evens out; finally and more importantly chelsea CHOKED they were a man up and leading in the score and couldnt close the game which is their staple supposedly. At any rate i dont care for either team but barca deserved to go through for the simple fact that they played football instead of chelsea's constant diving whining and crying

Agree.

On a more serious note, I predict the end of Chelsea after this match. Abramovic will lose interest even more. Many players will be sold. It's all downhill for the blues from here. And guess what, it will be the start of a new era where English teams won't dominate in Europe as they did recently.

I certainly hope so.

:melayyanandmessi: Maher's wiener must have fallen off thinking about the Finale

What about my deck? I'm a huge Barca fan!