[EU] Champions League 2008/2009 (16 Viewers)

[Red]

Well considering most cases of diving stem from mild contact made by a defender, I think you may have to consider such a move diving. Otherwise, many of football's champion divers would merely be exaggerators.

Feel free to consider it that way.

I've merely stated where I draw the line between diving and exaggeration.

But that's the definition of diving!

When you say "entitled to go down" then you are saying that it's a choice. If you get knocked over or out of a balance, that's not an "entitlement" to go down, it's an inevitability.

So you feel that any time a player goes down, when he could stay on his feet, he is diving?

 

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[Martin]

So you feel that any time a player goes down, when he could stay on his feet, he is diving?

Exactly. Why else would he fall if he could stay on his feet if not to get a free kick or penalty?

 

[Red]

Exactly. Why else would he fall if he could stay on his feet if not to get a free kick or penalty?

But a foul ought to be given if a players trips someone or attempts to trip them.

The referee is unlikely to give the foul for attempting to trip if the player doesn't go down, so how do you balance that?

So what if the player chooses to go down when they are entitled to a freekick or a penalty?

 

[Martin]

But a foul ought to be given if a players trips someone or attempts to trip them.

The referee is unlikely to give the foul for attempting to trip if the player doesn't go down, so how do you balance that?

Well that's just stupid, and the referee has himself to blame if the signal he is sending is "the only way I'm giving a freekick is if someone falls". And then blame players for diving, riight.

So what if the player chooses to go down when they are entitled to a freekick or a penalty?

Whether they are entitled is up to the referee to decide. If so, he should give it. What does falling down have to do with it?

There is that long forgotten rule about how if an obstruction occurs and the attacker evades it, you let it play out. If he's impeded (and stays on his feet), make the call.

 

[Enron]

There is that long forgotten rule about how if an obstruction occurs and the attacker evades it, you let it play out. If he's impeded (and stays on his feet), make the call.

They call it "playing the advantage". I remember that from my 2002 "FIFA Rules of the Game" training.

 

[Red]

Martin, I agree that the referee ought to make the call on a foul even if a player doesn't go down.

However, until referees start doing that, I'm not going to accuse players of diving when they are fouled but have to go down to get the freekick for it.

 

[Martin]

Martin, I agree that the referee ought to make the call on a foul even if a player doesn't go down.

However, until referees start doing that, I'm not going to accuse players of diving when they are fouled but have to go down to get the freekick for it.

The diving thing is really boring and disruptive. I hate when play can't go on for a minute until the next free kick comes. On the one hand it's necessary to get the freekick, but on the other it's a lame "ultimatum" you send the ref.

 

[Red]

The diving thing is really boring and disruptive. I hate when play can't go on for a minute until the next free kick comes. On the one hand it's necessary to get the freekick, but on the other it's a lame "ultimatum" you send the ref.

I agree, but this is going into the realms of either a rule change or a directive to the refs to interpret the rules in a different way.

I object to the use of the term diving, though.

 

[Ahmed]

what is potentially the best game today?

 

[Martin]

I agree, but this is going into the realms of either a rule change or a directive to the refs to interpret the rules in a different way.

I object to the use of the term diving, though.

It's not a good term at all, it's misleading. The avatar I made for Enron is a lot more informative, you want to make it look like you slipped on a ice.

If you think about it, it's a really odd thing. In what other area in life do you get credit for falling?

 

[Red]

Sporting v Barca looks best to me, Ahmed.

 

[Ahmed]

hmm thanks red

 

[Red]

It's not a good term at all, it's misleading. The avatar I made for Enron is a lot more informative, you want to make it look like you slipped on a ice.

If you think about it, it's a really odd thing. In what other area in life do you get credit for falling?

It doesn't matter how you make it look, if you're Steven Gerard in front of the Kop...

It's a pretty unique situation. You might get a nice payoff if you fall and hurt yourself and then sue someone for it.

 

[JCK]

what is potentially the best game today?

I'll be watching Inter but that's only because I am going out with Inter fans. And actually I would have watched them even had I stayed at home. One has to watch his rivals.

 

[Martin]

what is potentially the best game today?

Singapore - Vietnam friendly not to be overlooked.

 

[Red]

Indeed.

It is also HT in the Krakow derby.

 

[The Curr]

I'll be watching Inter. I always do on the night we're not playing for some reason.

 

[Bozi]

I'll be watching Inter. I always do on the night we're not playing for some reason.

quick edit your post before turk sees it

 

[Salvatore]

Anorthosis vs Bremen.

 

[Hanaukyo]

ibra with 5 goals today and new CL record