[EU] Champions League 2008/2009 (1 Viewer)

[JCK]

when is the draw for the knockout rounds?

Either on the 12th or the 19th of December.

 

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[Fred]

There is an important difference between exaggerating contact and diving.

Is there??

They're different forms of cheating that all players engage in. Its nice to think our favorite players dont cheat, but when you really look at it, they're all human, and have cheated in some form or shape.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

Is there??

They're different forms of cheating that all players engage in. Its nice to think our favorite players dont cheat, but when you really look at it, they're all human, and have cheated in some form or shape.

this is what cantona and i think about cheaters and divers

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=4IM5gvV7xJI

0.29

 

[Fred]

Don't get me wrong, i'm completely against diving, like you are. That was not my point.

My point was, that we shouldn't make angels out of players, they've all dived or exaggerated contact before.

 

[Red]

Is there??

They're different forms of cheating that all players engage in. Its nice to think our favorite players dont cheat, but when you really look at it, they're all human, and have cheated in some form or shape.

Exaggerating contact is not cheating, it is just unsporting.

Diving is cheating.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

Don't get me wrong, i'm completely against diving, like you are. That was not my point.

My point was, that we shouldn't make angels out of players, they've all dived or exaggerated contact before.

i think we should all follow the del piero mould in protesting against divers, as i showed a page or 2 back

 

[Fred]

Exaggerating contact is not cheating, it is just unsporting.

Diving is cheating.

And that was decided by??

i think we should all follow the del piero mould in protesting against divers, as i showed a page or 2 back

Gerrard has protested against divers too. Doesn't mean he hasn't dived before. Same applies to Del Piero, as hard as it is for you to hear that.

 

[Red]

And that was decided by??

The footballing authorities.

There is a rule against diving, there is no rule against exaggerating contact.

 

[Fred]

because exaggerating contact is a dimension of diving.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

And that was decided by??




Gerrard has protested against divers too. Doesn't mean he hasn't dived before. Same applies to Del Piero, as hard as it is for you to hear that.

to be honest i dont remember the last time del piero dived or at least to the consistency to gerrard anyways

 

[Enron]

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[Red]

because exaggerating contact is a dimension of diving.

That is debatable.

To me, if there is contact made, the player is entitled to go down.

 

[Red]

I believe the rule says something about attempting to deceive the referee.

When a player dives, he is trying to deceive the ref.

When a player exaggerates contact, he is trying to ensure the referee is aware that contact was made.

 

[Enron]

I believe the rule says something about attempting to deceive the referee.

When a player dives, he is trying to deceive the ref.

When a player exaggerates contact, he is trying to ensure the referee is aware that contact was made.

Well considering that contact doesn't denote a foul. Exaggeration of contact could also be seen as deception of the referee.

 

[Red]

Well considering that contact doesn't denote a foul. Exaggeration of contact could also be seen as deception of the referee.

It could, but the line has to be drawn somewhere and that is where I draw it.

 

[Enron]

That is debatable.

To me, if there is contact made, the player is entitled to go down.

That's a pretty BS assumption.

 

[Enron]

It could, but the line has to be drawn somewhere and that is where I draw it.

So if I back into you (the defender) in the 18 and fall over I should get a penalty?

 

[Red]

So if I back into you (the defender) in the 18 and fall over I should get a penalty?

I'm not saying you should get a penalty.

I'm just saying that I wouldn't consider that diving, in most cases.

 

[Enron]

I'm not saying you should get a penalty.

I'm just saying that I wouldn't consider that diving, in most cases.

Well considering most cases of diving stem from mild contact made by a defender, I think you may have to consider such a move diving. Otherwise, many of football's champion divers would merely be exaggerators.

 

[Martin]

To me, if there is contact made, the player is entitled to go down.

But that's the definition of diving!

When you say "entitled to go down" then you are saying that it's a choice. If you get knocked over or out of a balance, that's not an "entitlement" to go down, it's an inevitability.