yo Burke, I think we gonna enjoy each other a lot this season, we seem to be around, when nobody else is lol
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Because then Inter, Milan and Roma will get sweet, sweet cash and the reputation to atract better players to their respective teams. Then when we play them it will be rich vs. poor and the poor are always underdogs and underdogs have it easier because there's less pressure on us to win. I hope for an all Italian CL final this year, preferably Inter vs. Milan, than Milano will become the capital of European football! Sweet!:excited:
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Bingo. EPL, La Liga, Bundesliga, etc. fan couldn't care less when we are champions of the country that has the CL winner if we, ourselves, are not that CL winner.
Err...I was talking about Roma, but even if I wasn't, you'd be totally wrong. I have nothing against Serbians, I even have some friends that are Serbians, that war is completelly behind me and every mature person in this area should feel the same way, be it Serbian or Croatian.
I despise Roma first and foremost. I despise their fans who hate our guts with a passion and who would love nothing better than to see our team in Serie B forever. I despise them with the same passion their captain despises everything that has anything to do with our club. I despise how he bemoans our scudettos in the newspapers and claims one scudetto with Roma is worth 10 scudettos with Juventus. I despise how he poisons the minds of young players with the same hatred, most notably De Rossi and Mexes, who are gonna continue hating our club for years.
I hate Inter because of the calciopolli scandal and their shit-head president that's so blind that he couldn't see he was destroying the team he loves for decades, with his stupid transfers and decisions. I hate his so called "loyalty" towards Mancini who couldn't win the Serie C with Inter had it not been for calciopolli. I hate their supporters who hate our club more than they hate Milan.
I hate Milan because they beat us in the CL final and because they're succesfull in this competition. I hate it because they get reputation and money for it and we get jack shit for it. I hate their primitive president who goes around slapping women's asses in public and eats the crap he picks out of his nose, in public as well.
I hate those 3 institutions because they hate Juventus and I hate them back and so should every Juventus fan so he can point his finger at them and laugh his ass of when they loose to ManU 7:1 or get knocked out of the CL by Deportivo after being 3:0 up in the first game.
I haven't developed such a strong hatred for Torino because they're weak for a long time and aren't much of a threat for us.
How the fuck can anyone support our most bitter rivals in a European competition when I know for a fact no Inter, Milan or Roma fan wouldn't support Juventus in the Intertoto cup?
P.S. This was obviously a hate rant and before you call me out on my supposed maturity which I mentioned in the beginning, know I do have Inter, Milan and Roma fans as friends. I don't hate the people, I hate the institutions of their respective clubs and besides this is only sport, rivalry is a good thing.
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Bingo. EPL, La Liga, Bundesliga, etc. fan couldn't care less when we are champions of the country that has the CL winner if we, ourselves, are not that CL winner.
Err...I was talking about Roma, but even if I wasn't, you'd be totally wrong. I have nothing against Serbians, I even have some friends that are Serbians, that war is completelly behind me and every mature person in this area should feel the same way, be it Serbian or Croatian.
I despise Roma first and foremost. I despise their fans who hate our guts with a passion and who would love nothing better than to see our team in Serie B forever. I despise them with the same passion their captain despises everything that has anything to do with our club. I despise how he bemoans our scudettos in the newspapers and claims one scudetto with Roma is worth 10 scudettos with Juventus. I despise how he poisons the minds of young players with the same hatred, most notably De Rossi and Mexes, who are gonna continue hating our club for years.
I hate Inter because of the calciopolli scandal and their shit-head president that's so blind that he couldn't see he was destroying the team he loves for decades, with his stupid transfers and decisions. I hate his so called "loyalty" towards Mancini who couldn't win the Serie C with Inter had it not been for calciopolli. I hate their supporters who hate our club more than they hate Milan.
I hate Milan because they beat us in the CL final and because they're succesfull in this competition. I hate it because they get reputation and money for it and we get jack shit for it. I hate their primitive president who goes around slapping women's asses in public and eats the crap he picks out of his nose, in public as well.
I hate those 3 institutions because they hate Juventus and I hate them back and so should every Juventus fan so he can point his finger at them and laugh his ass of when they loose to ManU 7:1 or get knocked out of the CL by Deportivo after being 3:0 up in the first game.
I haven't developed such a strong hatred for Torino because they're weak for a long time and aren't much of a threat for us.
How the fuck can anyone support our most bitter rivals in a European competition when I know for a fact no Inter, Milan or Roma fan wouldn't support Juventus in the Intertoto cup?
P.S. This was obviously a hate rant and before you call me out on my supposed maturity which I mentioned in the beginning, know I do have Inter, Milan and Roma fans as friends. I don't hate the people, I hate the institutions of their respective clubs and besides this is only sport, rivalry is a good thing.
I love the snoop.
Even if Inter win the CL,its good Italian Football as a whole.You could argue that it might hurt Juventus adversley in terms of the financial side of things,but it does help Italian football because its an Italian team that wins the CL.
After the whole match fixing scandal,Italian victrories at the World Cup and at the CL willt only help the image of Italian football in general. All of this is an Italian perspective.
The Juventus perspective is a bit different.I think most people who cheer for Italian sides in the CL in the abscene of Juventus are either fans of the Azzurri,or they hate the EPL.Personally,both these things apply to me.Id cheer for any team that plays against an EPL side because i despise the league,especially Manchseter United.Call me biased,but hey im human.A point that i think is being forgotten here that most of these pro-italian side feelings by people were at their peak when an Italian side played an EPL side,which further proves how the EPL is hated around here.Its an assumption that could be right or wrong.
People who argue that cheering for other Italian teams when they play an EPL team or any other team in the CL arent exactly wrong.It does mean that those very italian teams get financial benefits that Juventus dont,it does mean that their record books start looking better than that of Juventus,and it does mean that success in europe makes them a stronger side compared to a non-CL Juventus team.I agree with all of these points,but there's another side of things that was brought up quiet often last season,and i dont exactly disagree with that either.
Italian teamsdoing well in the CL means that those teams get stronger,and you could argue that the influx of better players and finances makes the Serie A look better as a league.When a non-CL Juventus side does against these very teams that did so well in Europe,then that counts as a 'bigger achievment' than doing well against an Italian team that does poorly in the CL.A better league image means that Juventus's success in the Serie A will be more celebrated than had it been in a league where the other teams were performing poorly in europe.
At the end of the day,i think its more of a Serie A vs EPL thing than an Italian sides vs All other sides thing.Plus someone like me,who became a fan of the Italian NT first and a fan of Juventus later,would probably want Italian teams to do well as a whole,barring none.Unlike someone like Turk,i dont use an Inter Milan coloured toiler paper in my washroom,but i wouldnt even mind them doing well in the CL.Ofcourse i want Juventus to do better than these teams,but if i had to pick between an EPL team or an Italian Team winning the CL when Juventus isnt playing,then id cheer for the Italian team,and yes my pro-Azzuri and anti-EPL sentiments do play a big part in it.But hey,thats just me.
You make all valid points salman, however, imagine a scenario where in the next 15 years only Inter, Milan and Roma win the CL. It will be great for Italian football, it will become the EPL of today in terms of popularity in the world. But where will that leave our Juventus, the only club I actually care for? It will be left as a fallen giant, avoided by all big players, and in the end we won't be able to even win the scudetto anymore. Of course, this is a "apocalyptic" type of scenario but it makes my point.
It is good for the Serie A as a leauge, but it is most of all good for the respective clubs who are winning the CL, it's not good for Juventus or any other team. Because, sooner or later our lack of success in the CL will come to haunt us and we will be far behind Inter, Milan or Roma.
Our bitterest rivals being succesfull in the CL is good for them and it may even be good for Juventus but not in the long run. Because if this trend continues, they succesfull in the CL and we are not, we won't be able to hold on much longer and we will certainly have it harder and harder to win that scudetto year aftrer year. And that's your defense isn't it? Isn't it better when Juventus wins the scudetto in a leauge where there is a European champion? Yeah it is, but I'll be curious to see what you say when we can't win it anymore and that time can come.
And all I care for is the good for Juventus. I don't care fot the leauge in general and it's reputation in the world, not if it's our bitterest rivals that gave it that reputation and made themselves stronger, not us.
It is good for the Serie A as a leauge, but it is most of all good for the respective clubs who are winning the CL, it's not good for Juventus or any other team. Because, sooner or later our lack of success in the CL will come to haunt us and we will be far behind Inter, Milan or Roma.
Our bitterest rivals being succesfull in the CL is good for them and it may even be good for Juventus but not in the long run. Because if this trend continues, they succesfull in the CL and we are not, we won't be able to hold on much longer and we will certainly have it harder and harder to win that scudetto year aftrer year. And that's your defense isn't it? Isn't it better when Juventus wins the scudetto in a leauge where there is a European champion? Yeah it is, but I'll be curious to see what you say when we can't win it anymore and that time can come.
And all I care for is the good for Juventus. I don't care fot the leauge in general and it's reputation in the world, not if it's our bitterest rivals that gave it that reputation and made themselves stronger, not us.
Most people here i guess,including myself,would ALWAYS want Juventus to do better than Inter,Milan and Roma or any other Italian Team.But if/when Juventus doesnt play in europe,id cheer for the other Italian sides because of my Pro-Azzuri sentiments.Had i not been a fan of the Italian NT,then i guess i would be on your side of things.I dont disagree with that you say,im merely trying to explain why cheering for an Italian team when Juventus isnt playing in the CL is easier for someone like me.
Yes i do maintain that winning against an European Champion from my league is sweeter than winning against teams that get their ass kicked in europe,but,then again,Id always want Juventus to win the CL infintley more than id want a team like Roma,Inter or Milan or do so.
Id want Juventus to be the team that makes the Serie A look good.I want Juventus to be the team that does better than Milan,Inter or Roma.I want Juventus to be the team that wins the CL.But the mere thought of an EPL side doing better than an Italian side sickenes,just like how the opposite scenario sickenes you and so many other people.i can tolerate a German team winnning the CL,i can tolerate a Spanish team winning the CL,but i just CANNOT tolerate an EPL side winning the CL.I am extremley biased when it comes to this.I guess i might not even mind if a Non-EPL side triumphs over an Italian side other than Juventus.
My soft spot for other Italian sides when Juventus isnt in the CL might mean that you are a greater Juventus fan than me,or maybe you are more attached to Juventus than me.Like i already mentioned,i became a fan of the Azzuri first and Juventus later,so its hard for me to not want Italian Football to look good.It might not prove disprove anything,but thats the way i feel.
Yes i do maintain that winning against an European Champion from my league is sweeter than winning against teams that get their ass kicked in europe,but,then again,Id always want Juventus to win the CL infintley more than id want a team like Roma,Inter or Milan or do so.
Id want Juventus to be the team that makes the Serie A look good.I want Juventus to be the team that does better than Milan,Inter or Roma.I want Juventus to be the team that wins the CL.But the mere thought of an EPL side doing better than an Italian side sickenes,just like how the opposite scenario sickenes you and so many other people.i can tolerate a German team winnning the CL,i can tolerate a Spanish team winning the CL,but i just CANNOT tolerate an EPL side winning the CL.I am extremley biased when it comes to this.I guess i might not even mind if a Non-EPL side triumphs over an Italian side other than Juventus.
My soft spot for other Italian sides when Juventus isnt in the CL might mean that you are a greater Juventus fan than me,or maybe you are more attached to Juventus than me.Like i already mentioned,i became a fan of the Azzuri first and Juventus later,so its hard for me to not want Italian Football to look good.It might not prove disprove anything,but thats the way i feel.
It obviously wont do Juve any outright benifit, but some will seep through. I am saying this because if Milan(or the other italian clubs) wins people will either love them or hate them. If however they wont win siere A will be forgotten.
Take the case of Athletico or Barcelona. They havent acheived as much as Milan or Juve still their money and popularity is equal or more (not deserved). I accredit this to the success of Real Madrid.
Then again in the EPL the money the smaller clubs have are a result of faulty leakages from the bigger clubs. If the spurs wouldnt have much money they wouldnt have spent 15mil+ on Bent and Charlton wouldnt have the money. The Epl players appreciated after Chelsea started spending big. This has definately benifitted the smaller clubs. Just look at how much Portsmouth and Newcastle(mid-table clubs) are spending. I doubt Roma can match that.
Also if the Italian clubs win the price of the tv rights also go up. Now that the rules are about to change. Its no more one club only, its the whole Serie A.
Italy won the last world cup i had serie last season, this year despite the CL winner being an Italian club i dont have Serie A. Thats most probably because 3 english clubs were in the CL semis. So, it obviously matters that the other Serie clubs do well.
Thats some weight of your chest,isnt it?
Barcelona has always been a mega popular club and a succesfull one as well, Real being the super succesfull club in both Europe and Spain has nothing to do with Barcelona's popularity. They're champions of Europe 2 times, don't know exactly how much La Liga titles, plus they had some of the biggest footballing talents play for them throughout history. Real has done nothing for their popularity, apart the fact the two clubs boast one of the biggest rivalries. Atletico Madrid is definetly not in the same leauge as the two.
EPL's smaller clubs have the money because the leauge is currently the most popular in the world and the cause of that is the succes in the CL. All those clubs you listed have the money because of foreign investors, Chelsea, Portsmouth, Man City, etc. Yet, apart from Chelsea, which of those clubs is doing anything worthwhile in the leauge with all that money? At the end of the season none of them will even get a CL spot and the only clubs that will go stronger, unless they get a totally crazy billionaire like Chelsea, are those that were succefull in the CL. Juve can very easily become that Portsmouth or Man City, in the next 10 years if the other clubs are succesfull in the CL and we are not. The leauge will become stronger and more popular but Juventus can easily be on the loosing side.
It matters that all clubs do well but first and foremost it matters to those respective clubs, not their rivals. I think I made my point on that quite clear.
Well I don't boast such hatred towards the EPL, I don't like it but I don't hate it. That's a personal preference in the end. But I just don't want to see our rivals grow stronger, I don't care if it's an MLS team that beats them, all I care is that they loose so when we win we'll be the overall winners, not them.
Sorry to hear that but that has to be the case because you're still living together after all the shit, things can't get forgotten because they're around every corner reminding you. Same people, same problems and same emotions, hell it's probably even worse than before. But this isn't the place mate.
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